Whos Fault is this???

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Whos Fault is this???

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Basicly i bought a hi spec T25 hybrid turbo for my uno turbo from Essex Turbos about a year ago, it was said the turbo could run over 200bhp easily and up to 1.9 bar of boost. Many of my mates are running 200bhp+ on their punto GTs with this same turbo in fact.

Now i've had my car set up to run 1.4 bar boost and its been fine for the last year but i was using a standard intercooler and recently i changed this for a large front mounted intercooler to get more boost out of the turbo. On doing this something went seriously wrong, the car would not boost more than 1bar and loads of smoke came out the exhaust and i mean LOADs. So much so that my oil cap even came off and covered the engine in oil making me think i had melted a piston or my piston rings were worn or even blown the head gasket.
Did a compression test and all 4 cylinders all seem fine. Topped up the oil and strangely enough the engines running fine and there is hardly any smoke on idle but it does smoke a little blue smoke on load now when the cars moving. I've discovered that one of the blades on my compressor wheel on the turbos been damaged its bent and now its screaming when you drive the car and very laggy. I put some of the lag down to having a larger intercooler but also down to the turbo being damaged now. My question is what could have caused this and secondly Essex Turbos is saying that my warranty will not cover me for the damage done to the turbo. They've said they can repair it at a cost of £450 which is pretty much how it costs for a new hybrid turbo of this sort of spec anyway. How ridiculous can you get, i feel like they've cheated me the warranty they've given me isn't worth the paper its written on as this shouldnt have happened in the first place as these turbos are meant to run 200bhp or more all day long. What should i do??????

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If the blade on your compressor wheel is bent then it has to be by some foriegn article getting into the intake system. It will have nothing to do with the amount of boost or load the turbo is under. The supplier can't be held responable for this unless they fitted the whole system, the filter,intercooler and pipes are still in original condition and it hasn't been apart since instalation.


I'm afraid you have been unlucky here:( it sounds like something got in the system when the intercooler was changed. If this was done by a garage you may have a claim against them, but it could be tricky to prove.

The bearings on the turbo have probalbly gone as well (leading to the oil system being presurised) due to the shaft now being out of balance.(n)
 
Do you know what there warrenty covers?

If its ALL turbo damage then they will have to rebuild it

But do they say:
"if you as a customer tamper with the unit or do somthing to cause damage (like not using a air filter for example)"

if you have not touched the unit at all and only mounted the bigger IC then there is no way that will cause turbo damage!
If the blade is bent then i can only bring it down to unfilterd air with debris hitting the blades
 
Alright Biz...Well According to them its classed as "Accidental Damage" so they are not liable to repair it for free, so i'm screwed basicly. I dont understand how it happend to be honest the air filter was still on and the turbo hasnt even been touched, the only thing i can think of is maybe some unseen foriegn article entering the system through one of the new boost hoses perhaps??? Only reversed the car back drove forward a little and just saw smoke everywhere, didnt even get it into second gear.

Oh well f*ck it i'm gona just upgrade to a T28 roller bearing turbo instead now :D, cant be asked repairing this one, will probably just sell it for spares/repairs or maybe part exchange it.
One things for sure i wont be going back to Essex Turbos again and i'd advise anyone else to do the same!!!

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The funny thing is that the ECU will kill the fuel delivery if there is any unmeterd air entering the inlet piping after the AFM (my old Mk2 did it, and it turned out to be the dump valve T-peice section where it joins the inlet piping from the intercooler to the throttle body)

You checked about for any gaps/leaks while its idling?

if i were them i would re-con it and keep you as a future customer!
and possibly many more

What about the intercooler you put on, did it have any crap in it or was it fairly new or new?
 
Brand spanking new intercooler dude about the same size as Martins one on FatUNO, Its idling really well and flowing so well too with the new piping... i'll get some pics up to show you later, Like i said mate i'm really baffed about this i think its down to a bit of bad luck really...Oh well Sh*t happens i guess...For now i've gone back to good old standard T2 power again lol :D
Cant believe how much fun a standard turbo still is even running a bar lol ;)

As for Essex Turbos they can kiss my ass if they think i'm gona fork out £450 to repair that turbo, i had a better offer from Turbo Developments in Brentford, theres a guy called George there who also loves UTs and a really sound bloke and he built my cousins Turbo for his mark 1 years ago.

By the way hows your new one going mate??

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Pic of my new front mount Intercooler... :D And Power Boost valve, Also just fitted a vernier Pulley Oil catch tank and a 2 bar boost gauge although it wont be needed for a while as my cars not running more than 1 bar boost now lol

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