General UT mk1 bits with mk2 bits?

[Efini]

hi people.

im a bit rusty on my ut kmnowledge - used to know all this...:bang:

which bits will work with which block?

mk1 block for example is stronger so would prefer to use this type.

but mk2 (tipo derived) gearbox is better and will fit the mk1 if have all the linkages?

can i use a mk2 ecu/loom/afm/inlet manifold (with mk2 injectors)

will the sensors plugs/locations be the same on the mk1 as on the mk2?

apart from the dizzy location mk1 and mk2 are pretty much identical aren't they?

Are the driveshafts on the mk1 same as the mk2?


If anyone has any of the above kicking about lemme know on the pms please

cheers,

j

 

[SteveNZ]

All the parts are interchangeable as long as you have the right combination.

What box/uno do you have now, what do you want to fit?

There are 2 different mk1 boxes which makes the job totally different depending on what box you have to start with, they are very different. late mk1 box is virtually the same as a mk2 and will swap easy. you need to swap the rear mount.

"can i use a mk2 ecu/loom/afm/inlet manifold (with mk2 injectors) " Use it on what? in what?

"will the sensors plugs/locations be the same on the mk1 as on the mk2?" NO, most plugs are different, locations are mostly the same.

"Are the driveshafts on the mk1 same as the mk2?" Depends on the mk1. Late yes, early No.

"apart from the dizzy location mk1 and mk2 are pretty much identical aren't they?" Same basic design but a lot of minor differences.

 

[Efini]

What box/uno do you have now, what do you want to fit?

i dont have one, but it going in a MINI (old skool 1, not w4nky binny)


There are 2 different mk1 boxes which makes the job totally different depending on what box you have to start with, they are very different. late mk1 box is virtually the same as a mk2 and will swap easy. you need to swap the rear mount.

not a problem, the rear mounts havent been made yet


"can i use a mk2 ecu/loom/afm/inlet manifold (with mk2 injectors) " Use it on what? in what?

i want use the engine loom, for everything to control the engine


"will the sensors plugs/locations be the same on the mk1 as on the mk2?" NO, most plugs are different, locations are mostly the same.

ok, cheers


"Are the driveshafts on the mk1 same as the mk2?" Depends on the mk1. Late yes, early No.

what do you consider late mk1?


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Is there any benefit to running the mk2 loom on a mk1 block if i can get the mk2 inlet (with mk2, bigger, injectors and fuel rail) on the mk1 block?

Is the connection block on the mk1 afm the same as the mk2 afm (i doubt it)

Basically i want to run around a bar of boost, my old mk2 UT used to run this all day long with the afr being fine (i fitted a lambda sensor). or can i save all the hassle and run a bar of boost on a mk1 engine, with mk1 inlet and injectors, if i use an adjustable fpr without leaning out?

ta

PS Steve, ur still a legend!

 

[the mk1 kid]

You can swap the lot from the mk1 to mk2. You will need to reshape the head to inlet manifold port (look and see which is obvious to do, one or the other) and use the mk2 plunum with the mk2 injectors etc. The dizzy will relocate to the front of the block on a mk1.

'Late' mk1's are half way through the 'E' plater's or 'F' onwards to be sure.

To be honest a mk1 injection system will cope with a 1bar anyway, i'd save the hassel of doing it unless you really want, or think you'll end up hunting for more power.

Mini + mk1 lump = quick anyway.

Tom

 

[Efini]

yeh it'll be quick, but im only looking for around 150bhp, should work out about 214bhp per ton :slayer:

bar of boost
t2
straight thru exhaust
filter
bigger front mount (somewhere... will have to see where it could go once the engines in )
water injection

thru a set of 7x13inch rims and a car that handles like a demon :devil:

i gotta get an engine, gearbox, linkages and driveshafts yet...

 

[the mk1 kid]

Well there is that mk1 motor in my garage.

It needs the following.

Opening up and rebuilding - i dont know what you're going to find, i've never seen it run.

A cam cover

A crank pulley

Tom

 

[Efini]

have u got an inlet manifold for it?

got any driveshafts?

 

[the mk1 kid]

have u got an inlet manifold for it?

got any driveshafts?

No to driveshafts.

I have 3 inlets. 1 on car, 1 spare* and one with some engineering company who may have gone under or got lost on their way to work for the last 4wks!

I could sort one out for you at some point for sure.

Tom

 

[Efini]

by cam cover you mean the plastic box that goes over the pulley and belt? not bothered about that bit bud. do you reckon luis will have any spares?

 

[the mk1 kid]

Cam/rocker cover. The plate over the top.

Luis might have some shafts - i think i have left some there in the past..

01458 27 44 99

You'll have to leave it with him for a day i expect, they'll be burried in the engine room.

Tom

 

[Efini]

what shall i just phone up the garage and say "tom groves says he mightve left some driveshafts here at some point in the last 2 years, can u find them please?"

 

[the mk1 kid]

Yeah why not, you'll look like a willy and next time i see him we'll have a laugh about it! lol

tbh Luis has given me loads of stuff so whats been left there is his now, i think you'll have to suck his willy (word of the day ?) or pay him some mula. thats if he has any there, i cant picture them but...

Tom

 

[Efini]

thats if he has any there

.

driveshafts or willys?

 

[the mk1 kid]

I think you might need to seak some professional advise if you're missing your wonka buddy. I doubt very much a little Italian man has a lot to lend!

No offence Luis!

Tom

 

[Efini]

something wrong with you mate

i have missed ur randomness

u still got my zoolander dvd or sold it?

 

[the mk1 kid]

I use it as a place mat for my coffee at work.

Is that an issue??

Tom

 

[SteveNZ]

Is there any benefit to running the mk2 loom on a mk1 block if i can get the mk2 inlet (with mk2, bigger, injectors and fuel rail) on the mk1 block?

Is the connection block on the mk1 afm the same as the mk2 afm (i doubt it)

Basically i want to run around a bar of boost, my old mk2 UT used to run this all day long with the afr being fine (i fitted a lambda sensor). or can i save all the hassle and run a bar of boost on a mk1 engine, with mk1 inlet and injectors, if i use an adjustable fpr without leaning out?

ta

PS Steve, ur still a legend![/COLOR][/B]

Yes, mk2 stuff is better, it will support more power. However it has an RPM limiter. You can use Mk1 stuff but its easier with the mk2. You will achieve 150bhp on mk2 easy.

mk2 manifold fits on a mk1 engine without mods. Port match is no worse than a mk1 with mk1 manifold.

 

[Efini]

cool i have a mean lil dremal so i can port match bits no problems

yeh i forgot mk1s didnt have limiters....:devil: what do they rv up to if cam'd up?

i still need to find a loom...
i think waynegts said he had one, but that it'll be a mk2 loom i think

just need a gearbox an linkages

 

[the mk1 kid]

Mk2 ports are round and the mk1's are oval..?

Mk1's are safe for short periods of time to 7.7K so i've heard. You would obviously need to make sure it had the fuel to support that, i'm referring to the balance of parts.

Tom

 

[Efini]

booo rubbish 7.7 :bang: my mates vtec mini is gonna be doing 9k odd! i need to get near that so i can rinse him with the ut lump!