YES! the shadeyman thread isnt this
Using hydrogen to help MPG ?
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Surely you could get a ECU Remap to sort that out.
Yes I did miss that thread..... :/
this is all from america and that says it all to me.
even if the "cell" could make a liter of gas a second it wouldnt be enough and i doute it will even make a MILLILITRE a minuet.
I read a lot about hydrogen at college (looking at alternative fuel sources) and hydrogen is not an efficient gas to produce(takes more energy to make then is released in the use of the final product), and this is on a industrial scale where they would have much higher efficenty then some red neck would ever get by dropping two stainless steel plates into a old pickle jar.
so even if the miniscual amount of hydrogen produced gave you 1mpg more (in theory) the extra drag on the alternator would take that back plus a little more due to loses.
but then again it might just be a conspiracy
even if the "cell" could make a liter of gas a second it wouldnt be enough and i doute it will even make a MILLILITRE a minuet.
I read a lot about hydrogen at college (looking at alternative fuel sources) and hydrogen is not an efficient gas to produce(takes more energy to make then is released in the use of the final product), and this is on a industrial scale where they would have much higher efficenty then some red neck would ever get by dropping two stainless steel plates into a old pickle jar.
so even if the miniscual amount of hydrogen produced gave you 1mpg more (in theory) the extra drag on the alternator would take that back plus a little more due to loses.
but then again it might just be a conspiracy
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40-82 mpg! lol
How much hydrogen do you think you will need to produce to get figures like that?
For starters you would need to be producing enough hydrogen to produce approx half the power the engine requires.
But to produce that amount of hydrogen would require about half the power the engine uses, providing there was no lose in energy. Because it takes the same amount of energy to split the hydrogen and oxygen atoms as is produced by combusting hydrogen to bond it to oxygen.
It's kinda like saying you can run from London to Edinburgh faster by running in a small circle.
How much hydrogen do you think you will need to produce to get figures like that?
For starters you would need to be producing enough hydrogen to produce approx half the power the engine requires.
But to produce that amount of hydrogen would require about half the power the engine uses, providing there was no lose in energy. Because it takes the same amount of energy to split the hydrogen and oxygen atoms as is produced by combusting hydrogen to bond it to oxygen.
It's kinda like saying you can run from London to Edinburgh faster by running in a small circle.
this is all from america and that says it all to me.
even if the "cell" could make a liter of gas a second it wouldnt be enough and i doute it will even make a MILLILITRE a minuet.
I read a lot about hydrogen at college (looking at alternative fuel sources) and hydrogen is not an efficient gas to produce(takes more energy to make then is released in the use of the final product), and this is on a industrial scale where they would have much higher efficenty then some red neck would ever get by dropping two stainless steel plates into a old pickle jar.
so even if the miniscual amount of hydrogen produced gave you 1mpg more (in theory) the extra drag on the alternator would take that back plus a little more due to loses.
but then again it might just be a conspiracy
You could increase the surface area of the steel plates by using coils instead. What we need is someone to test it out....
CORRECT!.....If this system truly did what it claims to the inventor would be the richest man in the world.
It breaks the first law of thermodynamics and contradicts the conservation of energy principle. In simple terms it states you cannot get more out of a system than you put in. Yes you are generating hydrogen but in doing so it is costing you more in energy to generate it than any useful energy you can get back from it.
Incidently....... this is why manufacturers dont use this system, they worked out a long time that it is a waste of time and money.
I was thinking anyway. The hydrogen and oxygen produced by the cell would react together before the petrol. So you're simply adding the ingredients to make a bit more water. They aren't contributing to the combustion but restricting the amount of air that will react with the petrol.
Meh, there's too much going on and too many different possibilities but tbh I've never heard of it before but they've had it along time and if it was worthwhile someone would have made something of it
Meh, there's too much going on and too many different possibilities but tbh I've never heard of it before but they've had it along time and if it was worthwhile someone would have made something of it
He's dead, so are all the other inventors that try to promote and advance this technology. If your so fukin thick, that you really think they all died from natural causes then please continue posting your drival ....:shrug:
Now there is irony for you
Suggest you keep away from all those conspiracy forums and do an A level in physics instead
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Yeah, but I mean they will react together before they have a chance to react with the petrol
Dubz?
Little bit of info for you.....you already have a source of hydrogen under your bonnet. Its called a battery, and it gives the gas off as a byproduct as it charges. Why not try piping it into the FI system and see what happens
Little bit of info for you.....you already have a source of hydrogen under your bonnet. Its called a battery, and it gives the gas off as a byproduct as it charges. Why not try piping it into the FI system and see what happens
Holly crap! Did you not attend school at all?
All it needs is an ignition source. Compressed, :shakehead:
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Holy crap I'm deleting that comment now! My bad I'm a wee bit tired.... When I mean a wee bit I mean I got a solid 3 hours sleep last night now this looks bad cos I'm doing A level science....
I should have just edited it..... Over-reaction fail
now this looks bad cos I'm doing A level science....I should have just edited it..... Over-reaction fail
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Now there is irony for you
Suggest you keep away from all those conspiracy forums and do an A level in physics instead
Will a degree surfice?
Not it would seem for you
This is like the birth of a religion. People ignoring good science because fiction offers an answer preferable to them.
that video is wrong... its not pure hydrogen at all its hydrogen and oxygen(water being 2hydrogen and 1oxygen using electrolysis to split the atoms to make two gases). as far as i know it wouldnt explode if it was pure hydrogen
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