Tuning Uno Mk2 project

[alc761]

Hi i'm new to the forum. To cut a long story short, I have an uno mk2 fire which i've had for 4 years now. I've been thinking for a while about doing an engine conversion. Going to fit a 1.6 16v engine off a bravo. Any tips or advice on this matter? or maybe someone from here has allready carried this out?

This is my uno

This is the actual engine i have

Feel free to post any suggestions and tips

 

[Hyperspace]

Hope you got the ECU etc for it. Love the black and white, Would look realy cool if the side trim was sprayed white as well. Black and white are the only colours that doesn't make the uno look like a toy.

 

[alc761]

Thanks for your reply. Yes I have all the parts needed; ecu and code removed, gearbox, shafts, hubs, disc brakes, fuel pump.. just need to fit the engine but it's proving to be expensive and not everyone would like to do the job =/

The car itsself needs to be restored as it was my daily drive for 3 years and is over 20 years old now.. but after the engine is fitted will start working to bring it back to mint condition

 

[fostertom]

but it's proving to be expensive and not everyone would like to do the job

why exactly - what problems?

 

[alc761]

since the engine mounts need to be moved and the engine in the bravo is mounted from the front and in the uno there isn't any place to mount it that way so an arm has to be made to hold the engine from the front mounting. Most of them arent able to do a good job. However i found an excelent mechanic which knows his way around fiats, but the quote i got was that to fit the engine will cost as much as buying a bravo with mot etc. Over here a bravo costs around 3,000 euro

 

[fostertom]

Isn't the Bravo (first type?) engine same as Punto mk2/2A? Like a 1368 mk2A Punto Sporting?Or if more like mk3 (Punto Grande), at least same block? Can't brackets be swopped?

 

[alc761]

Don't know about that. The only problem is that the mounting points for the bravo and for the uno aren't in the same location. That's what i got from my mechanic at least

 

[fostertom]

the mounting points for the bravo and for the uno aren't in the same location

What about a FIRE engined Uno?

 

[fostertom]

ecu and code removed

Fill me in - what does that mean, how's it done, who does it, what's it cost? Does that mean disabling all the clever-dick bits of ECU function, just leaving the bits that run the engine?

 

[fingers99]

Does the Uno have any clever dick parts?

1.4 16v SuperFIRE engine with aftermarket ECU?

Looks like the car from Inspector Montelbano (but cleaner)!

 

[alc761]

my uno has a fire engine from factory, however they are still mounted differently.. the fire engine only has 2 mountings, 1 for the engine and 1 for the gearbox. The bravo engine has a mounting for the front of the car, and on the uno you can;t mount it there, it woun't be strong enough

Regarding remoivng the code for the ecu; My engine date, 1996 had the immobiliser and to start the engine you would need the fuse box ecu and immobiliser all off the same car. Recoding the factory ecu means you can start the engine without needing all the other bits. So basically you can start the car on the floor like you would an older engine without ecu. And also you can get the engine to work without needing the harnes for the whole car, just by using the one for the engine.

 

[alc761]

Regarding engines, the ones that were sold in malta were the 1.0 fire and non fire engines on both mk1 and mk2, 1.3 and 1.4 turbos and there were a few unos with the factory diesel, i think its was a 1.5 but not sure

 

[maxi26]

Its realy a pitty that because of a mounting your project is a head ach.would love to hear from you how the gear linkages and drive shafts fitted. Is there much difference between the push-down rod Uno 5-speed gear box and bravo gearbox? and/if possible would the Uno gearbox fit bravo engine, excuse my noobness. Reason for this is I can get hold of a bravo engine and would consider this project of your also. so i know atleast something before approching a mechanic in order not to get ripped off!!

Chao..

 

[alc761]

it is quite an expensive headache. it would cost around 3000 euro to fit the engine and gearbox.. could be more. The uno turbo gearbox would fit the bravo engine, but i've been looking for years and can't come across one, so i'm opting to going for the more challenging route to fit the bravo gearbox rather than having the uno one. If you have a problem with the uno gearbox you can have your car sitting in your garage for ages until you source replacements. so i scrapped the uno turbo gearbox idea.

The mecahnic suggested i fit the lancia delta 1.6 turbo engine and gearbox, its easier to fit.. but those engines are quite old now and parts hard to find so im sticking with the bravo for that option aswell. shafts should fit as i have the hubs as well off the bravo. might ended up with the front wheels sticking out a bit farther than the rears but that doesn't really bother me.

nice to hear that someone is interested in the same project needs any tips feel free to ask

 

[fostertom]

The uno turbo gearbox would fit the bravo engine

How come? - does that mean the Bravo engine is related to the 128/Uno/1581 Punto ELX 90 engine, or is it a FIRE-type engine? In either case, surely if it's basically one block type or the other, it can be mounted using brackets etc off the relevant Uno/Punto era versions of same engines?

 

[fostertom]

Regarding remoivng the code for the ecu; My engine date, 1996 had the immobiliser and to start the engine you would need the fuse box ecu and immobiliser all off the same car. Recoding the factory ecu means you can start the engine without needing all the other bits. So basically you can start the car on the floor like you would an older engine without ecu. And also you can get the engine to work without needing the harnes for the whole car, just by using the one for the engine.

Sounds good - anyone got any more info on what this involves, who wd do it, what wd it cost?

 

[fingers99]

It's an old trick, pretty much discussed to death on the Cinq/Sei section, although it should apply to many other FIATs of the SPI period. There are folk out there who can cut a new chip without the immobilser component. Your insurance company may not be happy, but.........

I'd not think the wiring loss to be significant unless you were re-doing it from scratch, for a kit car, or a racer, maybe.

 

[alc761]

How come? - does that mean the Bravo engine is related to the 128/Uno/1581 Punto ELX 90 engine, or is it a FIRE-type engine? In either case, surely if it's basically one block type or the other, it can be mounted using brackets etc off the relevant Uno/Punto era versions of same engines?

I' m not really sure i have the knowledge to answer you about that. sorry

 

[alc761]

Sounds good - anyone got any more info on what this involves, who wd do it, what wd it cost?

basically i sent the ecu to sicily, through my mechanic and it cost €120, much cheaper than buying a programmable ecu, since the engine will remain standard for the time being

 

[alc761]

It's an old trick, pretty much discussed to death on the Cinq/Sei section, although it should apply to many other FIATs of the SPI period. There are folk out there who can cut a new chip without the immobilser component. Your insurance company may not be happy, but.........

I'd not think the wiring loss to be significant unless you were re-doing it from scratch, for a kit car, or a racer, maybe.

over in my country, insurance companies don't go into that hassle. As long as it works and is road legal, mot'd etc it's fine. I'm going to use the car as registered and street legal. But i'm interested in entering hill climbs and maybe track days abroud further down the road. So everything has to be perfect. That's why it's proving to be a hassle to mount the engine, sice it needs to me mot approved. Otherwise if it would be just a track car it would be much more straight forward