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Re: Uno Bianca Failed MOT____TITLE EDIT: How To Get From Kent To Manchester?

Just a quick post :)

I got there and back OK thanks dave. Nice to have met you! (at Brooklands) Say Hi to Darryl, Binki and Mrs dave ;)

I will Update you all soon with Bianca info (y) - I'm going to look through my Weekends Pictures - I hope they turned out OK.

Many good and bad points - :devil: At least I have matching seats in the MK2 now LOL.
 
Re: Uno Bianca Failed MOT____TITLE EDIT: How To Get From Kent To Manchester?

Hi All,

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Some observations on Bianca – sorry about the order.

No mayo under oil filler cap – No Oil in Radiator reservoir.
Arches are in a good state – dam I forgot the Magnet :(.
Rust around rear upper shock mounts and boot well.
A little bit of rust at door bottoms – engine bay good.
One or two other minor knocks and scrapes on body work.
Fibber tailgate is cracked around Turbo badge.
Empty old brake shoes and a cylinder in the boot as recently replaced.
There is a big rust hole under the windscreen.

Cam cover gasket has been leaking for a long time.
Air filter clips missing – screws used instead through plastic.
Throttle cable needs taking up a lot.
Front flexi hoses aren’t perished.
The callipers are red I Found the Anti theft wheel bolt remover as I was leaving – do I didn’t get the wheels off :bang:- :confused: Turbo callipers?
Drive shaft rubbers are new (ish).
The front roll bar is present.
The passenger lock barrel doesn’t work.
There is a big chunk out of one of the tyres on the wall.
One of the headlamps has been replaced with the newer MK1 Halogen type unit.

Battery is flat.
Engine starts – won’t run without choke even at full temperature. Radiator fan works.
Exhaust is blowing – but all sections have been replaced very recently.
Occasional whine – sounds like the cam belt and tensioner need replacing.
When engine comes to a stop there is funny clockworkey sound.

Only the Speedo, temperature gage, and fuel dials are hooked up.
There is a problem with the rear wiper motor - not turning.

I changed the air filter + hot air intake pipe + Breather tube, cam cover gasket, spark plugs, rotor arm + distributor cap (the black cap with 2 screws I had spare came in useful after all). Engine now runs much smoother – but still idols ruff.

I had to mop oil out of plugs 2 and 3 before removing them.
The cam had plenty of oil in – so not been run dry.
The breather tube was nearly blocked with dirt in the flame trap.
The Vacuum advance is OK.
The brakes are uneven – couldn’t really rag it on the Private road.
The last section of fuel line is really perished.
The cold air intake needs replacing.
This Uno is more responsive than mine – blowing exhaust may have a lot to do with it.



There is full SX trim - 2 speed fan, 3 speed front wiper, clock above rear view mirror, map light, sun roof, nice door cards – both with tidy trays / speaker mounts. Someone swapped the Driver seat ;)

Regards All

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Re: Uno Bianca Failed MOT____TITLE EDIT: How To Get From Kent To Manchester?

Hey Louie,

Despite some of the problems with Bianca, she looks like a good one. Shouldn't take much work to make a nice car out of her.

I'll add a few comments to you observations as mk1 Uno's are kind of my speciality ;-) Also, a Bianca was a special edition based on the 45S and 60S. As yours has a FIRE engine it is based on the 45S which is what I have.

Louie Bee said:
No mayo under oil filler cap – No Oil in Radiator reservoir.

Good news, though make sure the radiator level doesn't drop. Also check the condition and strength of the coolant/ anti freeze. The FIRE engine has an alloy head, and the radiator itself is made of aluminium. Aluminium needs correct strength coolant else corrosion can occur and also this can contribute to head gasket failure.

Louie Bee said:
Arches are in a good state – dam I forgot the Magnet :(.

Probably no need to worry, as it's hard to disguise rust in mk1 arches. But double check behind the turbo plastic arches as these can hide rust. Also check behind the sill skirts, though mk1 sills tend to last well.

Louie Bee said:
Rust around rear upper shock mounts and boot well.

Any pictures of this? Is this just surface rust or more serious? Mind you, it didn't fail it's MOT on these points, and the upper shock mounts are definitely structural and would have caused a fail had they been holed. Hopefully just needs a bit of rubbing down, rust killer and repainting.

Louie Bee said:
A little bit of rust at door bottoms – engine bay good.

Door bottoms are the first place a Uno tends to rust. Treat them before they get worse! Engine bays generally don't rust, though check the strut towers as they sometimes go at the top.

Louie Bee said:
One or two other minor knocks and scrapes on body work.

It is a 17 year old car, so I think we can let her off this!

Louie Bee said:
Fibber tailgate is cracked around Turbo badge.

Fibreglass will crack if mistreated, but can be repaired with fibre glass resin or filler. Mine has a couple of cracks too. Must get round to sorting it out...

Louie Bee said:
Empty old brake shoes and a cylinder in the boot as recently replaced.
There is a big rust hole under the windscreen.

Is that the same rust hole as in your gallery picture? It's not THAT bad! Certainly not when compared with the way Cortinas would rot their windscreen panels out completely.

It can be repaired, though you will have to remove the screen first (not a difficult job). Probably best to cut out the rust, have a plate welded in then a skim of filler should tidy it nicely. Don't leave it as it will allow water to get inside the panels behind the dashboard and cause further rusting problems.

Louie Bee said:
Cam cover gasket has been leaking for a long time.

They do go rather often. Cheap enough and easy enough to change.

Louie Bee said:
Air filter clips missing – screws used instead through plastic.

The FIRE airbox has a habit of breaking its clips. Try a scrapyard, or it might even be possible to buy new clips from Fiat. The screws are a bit of a bodge...

Louie Bee said:
Throttle cable needs taking up a lot.

Probably badly adjusted. Check the adjustment end at the carburetor.

Louie Bee said:
Front flexi hoses aren’t perished.

That garage that did the MOT sounds like they were trying to make a sneaky few pounds on you with this one...

Louie Bee said:
The callipers are red I Found the Anti theft wheel bolt remover as I was leaving – do I didn’t get the wheels off :bang:- :confused: Turbo callipers?

Probably just standard calipers painted red. Check the discs. If they're vented, then you have turbo calipers (only the turbo had vented discs). Turbo calipers are too wide to work with standard Uno solid discs, and only the turbo calipers will fit the vented discs.

Did you see if the rear brakes are standard drums or turbo discs?

Louie Bee said:
Drive shaft rubbers are new (ish).

One less thing to worry about!

Louie Bee said:
The front roll bar is present.

If you don't want this, I'll be more than happy to take it off you! I've been after an anti roll bar for ages... This was only fitted to the Turbo and late model (mk2) SX's.

Louie Bee said:
The passenger lock barrel doesn’t work.

Pull off the door trim and make sure it is connected properly. Otherwise don't worry too much. It's a good anti theft device for the passenger side! If you are desperate, someone was selling a complete lock set for the Uno on Ebay recently.

Louie Bee said:
There is a big chunk out of one of the tyres on the wall.

Dangerous. Could cause a blow out if driven like this. Change this before driving!

Louie Bee said:
One of the headlamps has been replaced with the newer MK1 Halogen type unit.

Bianca is a special edition 45S (also an option on the 60S). All 'S' models should have had halogen headlights fitted as standard, though sometimes people replace them with the non halogen type!

Louie Bee said:
Battery is flat.

Re-charge or replace!

Louie Bee said:
Engine starts – won’t run without choke even at full temperature. Radiator fan works.

Do you mean won't run or won't idle? If it won't run, than that is a bit worrying. If it won't idle, try the following:

Check the throttle stop position on the carburetor as it might simply need the idle speed screw adjusted.

The Weber 32 TLF carburetor fitted to the 999cc FIRE engine has a habit of blocking its idle jets. If your vacuum advance unit is ok, then you almost certainly have a blocked jet in the carb. Strip it and clean it out. A carburetor rebuild kit is still available from FIAT, and it's simple enough to do.

Check also that the vacuum pipes (all of them) don't have any splits.

Louie Bee said:
Exhaust is blowing – but all sections have been replaced very recently.

Find out where it is leaking. Might just need tightening, or perhaps exhaust sealing paste wasn't used when it was installed?

Louie Bee said:
Occasional whine – sounds like the cam belt and tensioner need replacing.

Could also be the alternator? Might even be a camshaft bearing, though I'd say more like cambelt tensioner or alternator is the culprit.

Louie Bee said:
When engine comes to a stop there is funny clockworkey sound.

Maybe you have a clockwork Uno?!!!! Seriously, it might be the starter motor catching, or maybe whatever is causing the whine?

Louie Bee said:
Only the Speedo, temperature gage, and fuel dials are hooked up.

The FIRE engine does not have the sender units to work the oil pressure, oil temperature or turbo boost gauges on the turbo dashboard. The tachometer can be made to work by connecting a wire to the Low Tension side of the coil and to the back of the instrument pod.

Louie Bee said:
There is a problem with the rear wiper motor - not turning.

Does it not work at all? If you get absolutely nothing, check the connectors with a test meter to see if you're getting voltage. If you are, then the motor has probably gone. If you get no voltage, check the fuse box. It's also possible that the switch for the rear wiper (on the pod units) is faulty.

Louie Bee said:
I changed the air filter + hot air intake pipe + Breather tube, cam cover gasket, spark plugs, rotor arm + distributor cap (the black cap with 2 screws I had spare came in useful after all). Engine now runs much smoother – but still idols ruff.

Sounds like a blocked jet in the carburetor as mentioned above!

Louie Bee said:
I had to mop oil out of plugs 2 and 3 before removing them.

That cam cover gasket really needs to be changed!

Louie Bee said:
The cam had plenty of oil in – so not been run dry.

That's good news.

Louie Bee said:
The breather tube was nearly blocked with dirt in the flame trap.

They have a habit of doing that. If it's black charcoal looking stuff then that is simply carbon. The tube needs to be cleaned out every so often though most people neglect to do this.

Louie Bee said:
The Vacuum advance is OK.
The brakes are uneven – couldn’t really rag it on the Private road.

It failed the MOT on that. It's probably a sticking caliper/ piston on one side, or the pads aren't moving freely. They're easy enough to take apart to clean up.

Louie Bee said:
The last section of fuel line is really perished.

Change this before attempting to run the engine again. If it splits you might get fuel all over a hot engine! You can buy fuel pipe by the foot/ meter from any motor factor, and it's cheap.

Louie Bee said:
The cold air intake needs replacing.

Not a serious problem. Put it last on the list!
 
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Louie Bee said:
This Uno is more responsive than mine – blowing exhaust may have a lot to do with it.

The carburetor FIRE engines were known to be very responsive. They have no Catalyst to sap power or ECU's to restrict the engine. If your mk2 Uno has injection and a catalyst then Bianca will feel more crisp in comparison.

Louie Bee said:
There is full SX trim - 2 speed fan, 3 speed front wiper, clock above rear view mirror, map light, sun roof, nice door cards – both with tidy trays / speaker mounts. Someone swapped the Driver seat ;)

The 'S' models as well as the Bianca models (Bianca was a dressed up 'S' model) would have had the following you mentioned as standard:

2 speed fan.
3 speed front wiper.
Tidy trays/ speaker mounts in the front door cards.

Standard on the 'S' models and up, but not available on the base models were:

Backlit buttons on the pods either side of the dashboard, a cigarette lighter, dashboard warning lights for handbrake and choke, tinted glass, split folding rear seats, five speed gearbox.

Sunroof was an option on the 'S', I think standard with Bianca.

Clock/ map light/ rear view mirror unit was standard on the 'SX' and Turbo. I don't think it was available on other models.

'S' model instruments but with tachometer - standard on the SX. Don't think it was an option for the lesser models though one of my Fiat brochures says it was. Never seen a non SX model with this dashboard.

Turbo dashboard was obviously only fitted to the turbo models! Also available as an option was a digital / LED version of this dashboard.

By the way, your door cards look like they are plastic rather than fabric? If they're plastic then they come from a base model and someone has fitted the plastic door cappings from an 'S' model or similar. 'S' models and up had fabric door panels.

At the end of the day, Bianca looks like a good car. Sure she has some faults, but considering how old she is she's in very good shape really. Far better than an equivilent Fiesta or Nova!

She is definitely worth spending a bit of time on, and I hope you will decide to keep her.

Good luck with Bianca, and keep us all posted as to how you get on with her.

Regards!

Chas
 
Hi All,

My new MK1 Uno45S passed her MOT yesterday – with the help of Chas – Many Thanks – couldn’t have done it without you!!!

Also cheers Bushboy And TurboNed for the bits and bobs you brought along to Stanford Hall – All in working order thanks (y)

Made it home this evening non-stop from Watford– what a drive. I will take some more pictures soon. Now what shall I do First?…

Regards All,
Louie.

BTW, I’ve been in London for the Last week, All report’s have been auctioned by Babisei - Thank Clare!!! (y)
 
OK a bit of a belated update!

To get Bianca through the test, this is what Chas and I did (mainly Chas BTW)

Front Brakes – brand new disks, callipers, flexi hoses and pads fitted. Front brake circuit was fully bled with new brake fluid. Chas I’m not sure how much was down to luck or skill but well done for separating the front flexi and rigid hoses!!! Is this a first (anyone)?

Ruff Idling – first the replacement carb as supplied by Bushboy was fitted. The throttle cable bracket thingy is mirrored on my MK1 – so Chas switched them. Not sure if anything needed changing on the Choke cable. Fired her up and No change – still ruff as and surging / stalling with no choke.

Next we tried swapping the distributor. My 45S has the French Ducellier (black distributor cap with 2 screws). We had a spare normal Marelli distributor (With White cap and 2 clips). We’d forgotten to check the Vacuum Advance diaphragm before setting off, and unluckily it was duff. The diaphragms from the 2 distributors are very different, so we tried the known good one (Marelli) out of Chas’s Uno. A little bit better – but not much. Only when we replaced the Ducellier distributor and checked the electrode gap, could the Uno Idol with no choke. The plug had 3 under and 1 over – as I fitted them last time with no feeler gauge.

Blowing exhaust Well whoever fitted this exhaust about 10 months ago is a con man!!! The blowing was from manifold, join to back box, and back box its self with knackered.

The blowing from the manifold was caused by a snapped stud on manifold. 2 bolts instead of 3 is no good! Luckily Chas had a spare manifold on his spare FIRE engine – also with a snapped stud. It separated from his engine nicely, and the snapped stud was extracted by gripping in a vice and twisting.

When it came to fitting the manifold to Bianca – all the nuts were strangely loose like someone started to fix the stud, but changed their mind. The newer manifold fitted nicely, Then we discovered the Mid Leak. When Chas fixed that, only then he realised the baffles were duff with another leak. I still need sort the back box, but isn’t too bad at idol ;)

Front Wiper blade I fitted my silver one I was going to sell, But today I cleaned the original one and fitted it and its better than the silver one :confused:.

Rear Wiper The motor stamped Tipo fitted and turns Thanks TurboNed!. The MK2 blade is much shorter though, and only clears about 2/3 of the screen It has a different fitting too which needed filing off. I’m going to have a look at the brushes on the old motor as I think its an un usual one as the blade rests flush at the N/S bottom of the screen and is a 1 piece arm and blade, unlike the one I’ve seen else where.

The Fog lamp fitted nicely thanks again TurboNed! I haven’t got round to fitting the Halogen N/S headlamp. But is on the list. Sorry I didn’t meet up in London! I couldn’t get your number off FF (no net access) and by the time I was on the road again, I really needed to get home as cover my note expired that night. Thanks for the Stockport tip – I will bare them in mind!

I could never have done it with out the help of Chas – You’re an absolute star!!!…
 
Since returning, progress so far:-

Swapped over head Unit, driver’s seat, and new driver seat belt.

Fitted the MK2 tailgate relics cable. Its stranded instead of a solid cable. When fitted, still didn’t work till I adjusted it, so I guess that was all that was needed in the first place. The new cable is much smoother :)

Polished the N/S and tail gate. – it was much easier than the red one!

Still loads to do!!! Urgent are Oil, Coolant, exhaust back box and sell the MK2.

I nipped out for a drive earlier having put all the junk in the MK2 and even quicker. I like the way the CD skips less, the extra traction from the 185’s and the over all drive – perhaps helped loads by the roll bar. I think I’ll try a strut brace next as a local garage has one in for £20. Not sure I’m going to fit the lowering kit, but its not going with the MK2 when I sell.

Regards All,
Louie.
 
Louie Bee said:
Front Brakes – brand new disks, callipers, flexi hoses and pads fitted. Front brake circuit was fully bled with new brake fluid. Chas I’m not sure how much was down to luck or skill but well done for separating the front flexi and rigid hoses!!! Is this a first (anyone)?

I got them seperated by using copious amounts of WD40 before hand (y) And using some decent tools to hold both firmly while they were unscrewed.

Louie Bee said:
Ruff Idling – first the replacement carb as supplied by Bushboy was fitted. The throttle cable bracket thingy is mirrored on my MK1 – so Chas switched them. Not sure if anything needed changing on the Choke cable. Fired her up and No change – still ruff as and surging / stalling with no choke.

That carb was weird. I've never seen one with those throttle and choke linkages before. I've used carbs from early FIRE Uno's, Pandas and even a Lancia Y10 and none of those had those linkages. Also, the 'new' carb didn't have the built in fuel filter that screws into the side.

I wonder what car that carb came from????

Louie Bee said:
Next we tried swapping the distributor. My 45S has the French Ducellier (black distributor cap with 2 screws). We had a spare normal Marelli distributor (With White cap and 2 clips). We’d forgotten to check the Vacuum Advance diaphragm before setting off, and unluckily it was duff. The diaphragms from the 2 distributors are very different, so we tried the known good one (Marelli) out of Chas’s Uno. A little bit better – but not much. Only when we replaced the Ducellier distributor and checked the electrode gap, could the Uno Idol with no choke. The plug had 3 under and 1 over – as I fitted them last time with no feeler gauge.


Don't forget we also reset the timing with a strobe light, and that seemed to help a bit too.

The tickover was still a bit lumpy, but at least it could idle by itself without the choke cable on.

Next thing to check will be the valve clearances just in case they are out a bit.

I also noticed that Bianca was more nippy than mine, and somehow seemed like she had more power. Then again, I did have all the tools in my boot so I was pulling a bit more weight!

But I do wonder with the lumpy tickover whether there's a different camshaft hiding in Biancas cylinder head :eek:

Keep us all posted with the developments Louie!

All the best,

Chas
 
1986Uno45S said:
That carb was weird. I've never seen one with those throttle and choke linkages before. I've used carbs from early FIRE Uno's, Pandas and even a Lancia Y10 and none of those had those linkages. Also, the 'new' carb didn't have the built in fuel filter that screws into the side.

I wonder what car that carb came from????

The carb on my uno doesnt have a built in filter either. The 'new' carb and mine, were both off early mk2 uno's before they switched to fuel injection.
 
Hi All,

Yesterday I T cut and polished the bonnet, N/S (having previously finished after dusk). then I removed the N/S roof strip + rear window and cleaned the years of gunk out from underneath.

The roof strip is simply clipped on (see attached). With the help of a 30Cm ruler it can easily be clipped off. Give it a good soak first as the gunk may have set like glue ;) start from the back and ease off. Take care not to bend or snap it!

To replace, first attach the little plastic clips to the roof. Make sure they are the right way up, and in line with the strip. Start at the back and work forward, gently thumping the clips to snap them on.

I then changed the oil to Castrol GTX 10 – 40. The drained oil was black – but little sludge / debris drained out :) the engine sounds a lot nicer now.

Today I hovered and washed the interior. She has come up really nice with non of the white streaks I remember from both brown interiors.
1986Uno45S said:
That carb was weird. I've never seen one with those throttle and choke linkages before. I've used carbs from early FIRE Uno's, Pandas and even a Lancia Y10 and none of those had those linkages. Also, the 'new' carb didn't have the built in fuel filter that screws into the side.

I wonder what car that carb came from????
MK2 carb – then again I think the Uno Bushboy got it off had been played with a bit too –perhaps its not the normal carb. Have you tried the K+N induction yet?
1986Uno45S said:
The tickover was still a bit lumpy, but at least it could idle by itself without the choke cable on.

Next thing to check will be the valve clearances just in case they are out a bit.
Will do soon cheers
1986Uno45S said:
I also noticed that Bianca was more nippy than mine, and somehow seemed like she had more power. Then again, I did have all the tools in my boot so I was pulling a bit more weight!

But I do wonder with the lumpy tickover whether there's a different camshaft hiding in Biancas cylinder head :eek:

Chas
I’m not sure about the power. I did have only a bit of weight on board. I have the benefit of the light Fibre tail gate, extra traction of wider wheels, oh and I don’t weigh much my self.

Top end wise, I only managed 95 down hill – but I wonder if the Turbo Speedo is more accurate as its not as close to the end of its scale – 160 MPH instead of the base’s 120.

There is the Ducellier distributor – which may make a difference too :confused:. Then again this is one nippy 45S!

Regards All,
 

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It sounds really good how the project has come along.

Thanks for the photos and information about the roof strips. I have to try that soon, as there's rust building up on one side.

Enjoy it!
 
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