Technical turbo tipo

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Technical turbo tipo

tipo-man said:
we dont care which is better, i want some usable ideas on how to fit a turbo on my tipo, and dont go saying swap the engine, i rely cant be bothred swaping the whole thing although it would be quicker i dont have an engine hoist and cant get one ether. if i just swap the head, ecu, exhaust manifold, and put turbo ones on would it work? no more about 16 and 8 valves OK.

Engine hoist is the absolute least of your worries if you are turbocharging your motors. The engine is still going to need to come out. Head swap does nothing usefull. You also need to use the turbo box and drive shafts or you'll get massive torque steer and probably a lot of unreliability. Fitting a factory turbo engine will be by far the easiest, cheapest and fastest method.

About the HF turbo Motor. Ive done that too. Great little motor for a Tipo.

btw you dont need an engine hoist to fit an engine. You just need to lift the shell up and over the engine and lower it down. I stuck a 1.6 SOHC is a Tipo last week. Its the easiest engine I think Ive ever fitted.
 
ok ok, so if i put an uno turbo engine in would the engine mountings be the same? i can get an uno hybrid turbo engine real cheap so its no problem getting 1.
 
Trans mounts should be useable.

Engine mount is different. I dont think a Tipo engine mount will bolt on an Uno turbo engine. I think it may bolt on a Punto GT block though.
 
tipo-man said:
ok ok, so if i put an uno turbo engine in would the engine mountings be the same? i can get an uno hybrid turbo engine real cheap so its no problem getting 1.
Get a Cereal box, mount engine in place you want it and make a template out of it for engine mount, then get someone to make it for you. Job done!!

Andy.:)
 
I know someone who was looking into either lowering the compression or running very low boost, for a 30-40bhp gain on his 210bhp Tipo.

Far better, in the long run, to keep the original masterpiece of an engine it has, and the turbo system should be OK on (some of) the Uno Turbo's management system.

At a guess, I'd say lowering the compression by 10-15% by getting a custom spacer made up, and running a T3 Turbo at 1.0Bar with a Mig welded flange on the manifold should do well, and make a standard Tipo run at 260bhp+
More than that would entail a 5th injector and other fuel management system bits to be installed.

Low comp turbo @ .5bar should do for a "My First Turbo"

One thing to think about, though... which is awesome...

Uno Turbos can be run stably at 200bhp after a good few grand is spent on the lump, but they have been known to get upto 240bhp and still be fairly manageable on a road. That's on the 1.3L.
On the same bhp/litre, it's 306bhp or 368, respectively. Imagine that in a Tipo...
It's enough to get me thinking about copping a sedic' for myself >=)...
and even at low compression, you'd still have enough power to get around pretty quickly at a hugely low boost, if you wanted a standard engine.

The Uno Turbo's always been more of a turbo powered engine to me, whereas a turbo should assist an engine. No objections, it's a hell of a lot of fun, but you get the feeling that, weighing 50-60kg over a normal 1301cc Uno, it'd be a bit of a slug without the turbo attached.
 
Wow, I completely didn't read that you had a 1.4...?!

dude just get a Sedici transplant, the 1.4 turbo's gonna add weight, it'll be crazy like.

Punto GT is the same engine as a Mk2 (1372cc), but mounts could be different. I don't really know.

Err.... don't turbo a 1.4 Tipo.
Don't.

It's money down the drain, get a sedici lump. Near 200bhp on tap from a N/A engine, you won't regret it.
 
Dragyth said:
Wow, I completely didn't read that you had a 1.4...?!

dude just get a Sedici transplant, the 1.4 turbo's gonna add weight, it'll be crazy like.

Punto GT is the same engine as a Mk2 (1372cc), but mounts could be different. I don't really know.

Err.... don't turbo a 1.4 Tipo.
Don't.

It's money down the drain, get a sedici lump. Near 200bhp on tap from a N/A engine, you won't regret it.
Before you say, dont stick a SOHC turbo engine in, just look at the weight of a sedici 16v engine. They are very heavy i can tell you. Alot heavier then a 1.4 turbo.
To turbo a sedici engine would be false economy. There is so much differences between the engines to not warrant it. Best is just to transplant a Coupe Turbo engine in. They can be picked up now for little money.

Andy.:)
 
If your non-turbo engine has done more than say 30k miles there's no way you can turbocharge a non-turbo engine without a rebore. The ovalation at the top of the bores means that you'll get blow by which is very bad.

I've driven a Tipo 8v turbo (engine from an 8v Delta integrale) and IMHO it is a very good combo. The car was pushing out about 240BHP I guess and the chasis was extremely well balanced. As mentioned, in some ways the 8v engines are indeed better because they are much more torquey low down
 
Yes, blowby will occur if pistons and rings are not changed. Pistons and rings on a turbo engine are different and expand more to make a tighter seal and eliminate blowby. The turbo piston crown and sodium cooled valves need to withstand a huge amount of heat. Standard pistons would not cope very well. As i said before, its not as simple as sticking a turbo on an engine to make power. The engine needs a total rebuild to make it reliable and durable.

Andy.:)
 
Don't fluff around turbocharging a na engine, put a turbo engine in it from the get go. But why would you turbocharge a tipo anyway?:confused:
 
th130 said:
Don't fluff around turbocharging a na engine, put a turbo engine in it from the get go. But why would you turbocharge a tipo anyway?:confused:
Is this Terry?

Andy.:)
 
Haha yes it is Andy. Happened across this forum. Still read sfc and have enjoyed Parrishs build. Anyway i need to throw you an email,

Terry
 
th130 said:
Haha yes it is Andy. Happened across this forum. Still read sfc and have enjoyed Parrishs build. Anyway i need to throw you an email,

Terry
Okies.

Andy.:)
 
iv raced the 8v ones for years with the 45's that came in the older millafororys and they just run and run (only changed one engine in 5 years of racing) untill i swiched to 16v coupe engine ant it was a **** to fit every thing was different and it blew a bottom end strait away :(
 
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