This week's random poll: Is F1 still the pinnacle of motorsport?

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This week's random poll: Is F1 still the pinnacle of motorsport?

Is F1 still the pinnacle of motorsport?

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Given that the 2010 GP season is nearing it's finale, I figured I'd throw this out for discussion.

I've been watching Formula 1 since the mid-80's and the heady days of Mansell, Piquet, Prost and of course Senna. I'd say that the best times were when you had epic fights between a few select drivers such as the mid-80's when the afore mentioned drivers were all closely fighting for the championship or the mid-90's when Hill and Schumacher were trading blows (almost literally).

The Ferrari years were just that, Ferrari and for the most part amazingly boring even though other drivers like Coultard in 2001 or Ralf Schumacher in the same season to an extent challenged the dominance they had.

When Fernando broke the run in 2005, things got better and the racing was improved to an extent but the combination of driver aids like traction control and aero got in the way of making the racing truly exciting. Changes came through like the v10s going the way of the dodo, which meant the amazing howl of them was replaced with a coarse sounding v8, done mostly for cost reasons. Last year, massive aero changes were made to increase overtaking, which failed for the most part due to KERS making it's début and actually making passing harder. The aero issue was also supplanted by the diffuser development, which also made passing harder as the grip levels decreased for the following driver due to the wake the lead car would cause.

This year, they got rid of refuelling to try and make qualifying more realistic and make it more about the racing but what we got was one stop racing and hope that it would rain to turn things upside down. It has been the best year for F1 though in recent times - 4 drivers going into the final race with a possibility of winning the championship and the combinations of politics, weather and reliability has all put brilliant twists on almost every race weekend. However, without the reliability issues and rather spectacular crashes, Red Bull would've walked both championships.

Now, there's talk of KERS coming back and adjustable rear wings for overtaking. Pirelli's coming back for the first time since the 80's and the double diffuser's being banned along with the F-Duct that so many teams developed for straight-line speed.

So going into this final GP, is F1 still the best motorsport has to offer? Does the BTCC, DTM, Indycar or (God forbid) Nascar get your vote?

Personally, I think it still is technically the best. However, I just crave the simpler times with less technology (as in interfering tech like the whole Mission Control set up McLaren and others run), less tarmac run-offs, narrower more undulating tracks and more drama as a result.
 
i dont usually watch motorsport, i should but im either working or hear it on the radio. however when i do watch f1 i find that its been quite boring up untill the last two years with a bit of british competition showing face. however i watched the BTCC the other day and within 5mins was hooked. when cars get damaged and then continue racing bumper to bumper is great sport. plus when u see a difference in lap times that aint in the 100th millionth of a second between cars it gets more interesting.

My vote is with the BTCC unfortunitly, ill probibly get attacked for saying this but hey :)
 
KieranB said:
i dont usually watch motorsport, i should but im either working or hear it on the radio. however when i do watch f1 i find that its been quite boring up untill the last two years with a bit of british competition showing face. however i watched the BTCC the other day and within 5mins was hooked. when cars get damaged and then continue racing bumper to bumper is great sport. plus when u see a difference in lap times that aint in the 100th millionth of a second between cars it gets more interesting.

My vote is with the BTCC unfortunitly, ill probibly get attacked for saying this but hey :)

I agree the BTCC is a brilliant form of motorsport. It's one of the few affordable ones too - cost £32 for a full weekend at Knockhill this year for example and was the fourth time I've been along to it. Truly accessible as well as the fans can wander around the paddock on qualifying and race days, meeting the drivers and chatting to crew.

Racing as you say is close too, often too close as the paintwork often reflects at the end of the weekend. I remember when F1 cars could touch and get away with it, made things even more interesting. But then that was before aerodynamics really got in the way and prevented the cars getting as close as they once did without a massive accident happening. The changeable weather in this year's F1 season really helped that I reckon - maybe they should get a tanker out to soak the track before every event :laugh:

I think it's been said by commentators before but the one thing that ruins F1 is the grip the cars have. If they had less grip, they'd be more exciting to watch and due to less aero being used, passing would be easier for those following. I guess that's the simplistic view though and in reality it's something that's quite hard to implement.
 
im a motorbike fan for racing. much more overtaking, more action, and imo more dangerous. amazing the things them guys do.

f1 for me died with the mid 90's never watched it since
 
tricky one to answer

f1 IMO is technically as good as motor racing gets, the cars are technical works of art and you do get the odd breathtaking race, however.......

rallying and the btcc are more exciting overall, more accsesible etc

and as a plus point, neither have Fernando alonso in them like F1.
 
I don't follow it as much as I could...or would like to.

I mean, its good and everything. But it just seems so...mundane these days. I think its been said already above, but BTCC and WRC are still much more enjoyable to watch. I like the down-to-earth factor about WRC. EG the legendary McRae moment, bashing the remains of the focus back into shape after rolling it once...then the same again not too long afterwords...
 
This is the thing that bugs me really about F1, sure it's safer these days and that's great and sure it pioneers new technologies and pushes the boundaries in these respects BUT I think it's lost something along the way.

You do get the odd interesting and even exciting race but it's a million miles away from what it used to be with all the drama and challenge of keeping a screaming V10 or V12, non-sequential gearshifting 800-900+bhp car on the road. I think as a perfect example of how that aspect has changed, everyone should see that Senna film when it comes out next year. I was never a fan at the time as I always supported the underdog and British driver, Nigel Mansell. But seeing stuff like this is just mesmerising...



I've watched MotoGP and British Superbikes on and off and I agree the racing is spectacular but I've always been more of a car person than bike and I guess that's always coloured my interest of the 2-wheeled stuff. Still though, if someone pops it on I'd rather watch that than Nascar, which in my opinion's one of the dullest forms of motorsport from around the world.
 
muppet42 said:
This is the thing that bugs me really about F1, sure it's safer these days and that's great and sure it pioneers new technologies and pushes the boundaries in these respects BUT I think it's lost something along the way.

You do get the odd interesting and even exciting race but it's a million miles away from what it used to be with all the drama and challenge of keeping a screaming V10 or V12, non-sequential gearshifting 800-900+bhp car on the road. I think as a perfect example of how that aspect has changed, everyone should see that Senna film when it comes out next year. I was never a fan at the time as I always supported the underdog and British driver, Nigel Mansell. But seeing stuff like this is just mesmerising...



I've watched MotoGP and British Superbikes on and off and I agree the racing is spectacular but I've always been more of a car person than bike and I guess that's always coloured my interest of the 2-wheeled stuff. Still though, if someone pops it on I'd rather watch that than Nascar, which in my opinion's one of the dullest forms of motorsport from around the world.


I know what your saying about the "lost something" bit. now im not trying to say the drivers are crap but i get the feeling that when they try and go faster on the track its usually done via a computer. its as if the drivers are the best (which they are most definetly) and they just modify the car to beat each other whereas in the BTCC the car is set up just great however its down to the driver to alter HIS way of driving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpFdHFQEY8s

i would go to see a F1 race for the amazing sounds, speeds and drivers within a heartbeat, however i would go to see a BTCC race to see great driving :)

as for bikes, well my dad watches it because he used to own a bike, i guess its a that if you've owned/own a bike then you watch it :)
 
F1 is really not my thing I am more a rallycross/BTCC fan and on the subject of BTCC knockhill produced some fine racing while being good for the spectators..I support the chevy crew who have been on top form this year with the new car..Plato has produced some fine driving as have many of the others..he deserved the championship no question about it he lead from the first race to the last but it was tight .. next year it should be even better when they get the euro spec'd car ..it was good this year but by god its gonna be even better next year..F1 well what can we say..over paid to much technology for sure..with regard to F1 drivers we actually saw Jonny Herbet in Btcc last year and I think he found out that it wasnt going to be a cake walk..
 
i own a bike lol. i agree if you own one you will watch it. it comes down to experience... it looks fine watching them fly around at the speeds they do. but when you have been on a bike you realise just what they are doing. there lap times are near enough the same as btcc and top speeds near 200mph..... from a 1.4 lol. all that with just the size of a credit card of tyre touching the floor... and only two for that matter lol. madness imo :p
 
Clock34 said:
i own a bike lol. i agree if you own one you will watch it. it comes down to experience... it looks fine watching them fly around at the speeds they do. but when you have been on a bike you realise just what they are doing. there lap times are near enough the same as btcc and top speeds near 200mph..... from a 1.4 lol. all that with just the size of a credit card of tyre touching the floor... and only two for that matter lol. madness imo :p


And thats why i just cant bring myself to own one. If i was to own one it would be a off-road dirt bike. my mate had a KTM and i loved it. what bike do u have anyways?
 
currently dont have one. sold my 250 super motard and saving for a sv-650. mrs rides a chineese 250 and i jump on every now and then lol. had my liscence two years a few months ago so unrestricted :)
 
Not best pleased with the result in the GP today, but hey ho, what can you do. Let's see the smug git defend it next year...

I've always said with regards to bikes that if I did get one, I'd probably end up crashing...a lot. Wouldn't mind a Ducati 916 though that's not so much a bike, more a piece of art and the noise those things make is something else. Senna version rather looked the part especially...

800px-Ducati_916_Senna3.jpg
 
Somone mention my Favourite Motorbike Rob?? Ducati 916:heart: (if only)

I don't really care about the F1 nowdays, all the same, Fernando Alnso, Lewis Hamilton & Jenson Button,(yawn).

Problem with the car's is:
1) They're made up of 2314 Parts (Fact)
2) It's all about plugging into Computors to find a fault
3) The costs are through the roof 1 car costs approx £4.3million (£4,295,986.90) ($6,868,000)
4) Slightest bit of Rain and all the car's have to come into the pits and change the tyres.
5) Each Team needs apporx 13 HGV's.

I haven't really watched Moto GP for ages, seems alot more interesting than F1, and quite like watching the WRC.

Suppose for F1 legends were:
Sir Sterling Moss
Ayrton Senna
Alain Prost
N Mansell
Damon Hill
Martin Brundell

Moto GP
Valentino Rossi (Legend)
Karl Foggarty

WRC:
Colin McRae
Richard Burns
Sebastian Loeb
 
Andi_F said:
Problem with the car's is:
1) They're made up of 2314 Parts (Fact)
2) It's all about plugging into Computors to find a fault
3) The costs are through the roof 1 car costs approx £4.3million (£4,295,986.90) ($6,868,000)
4) Slightest bit of Rain and all the car's have to come into the pits and change the tyres.
5) Each Team needs apporx 13 HGV's.

ermmm, how does any of that affect the racing?

i dont think lewis hamilton is suddenly trying to convince Mclaren he would have been world champion if only they had used 12 hgv's to transport the team to races instead of 13 this year
 
What I'm trying to say Mark is.
F1 Car's, if a driver thinks something's not right, it's back to the pit and laptop getting plugged in.
WRC Car's Driver thinks there's something not right, yes it will get reported, but the driver's just get on with what they were going to do.
When they return to the Service area, none of this dry garage to work in, Gazebo & Tarpaulin floor.

F1 Car= £4.3Million
WRC Car= £62,847.63

No offence to any F1 fans, but far as I can see the F1 Driver's are overpaid.
Yes there is alot of training involved to become an F1 Driver, but they are at a circuit for 2/3 days and complete an average of 50 laps.

WRC Drivers are often in 1 place for upto 1 week and have to complete a certain amount of miles in 1day with various time checks
 
Andi_F said:
What I'm trying to say Mark is.
F1 Car's, if a driver thinks something's not right, it's back to the pit and laptop getting plugged in.

not true, they have on board telemetry that tells them whats wrong without having to go into the pits and drivers often need to manage several issues at once.
WRC Car's Driver thinks there's something not right, yes it will get reported, but the driver's just get on with what they were going to do.
agree, but how about f1 drivers still racing with brakes that arent right, tyres that have gone off and managing gearbox gremlins? if thats not getting on with it, what is?
When they return to the Service area, none of this dry garage to work in, Gazebo & Tarpaulin floor.
how does that effect the racing?

F1 Car= £4.3Million
WRC Car= £62,847.63

different machine, different disciplines, different tolerances. in F1 .2 of a second a lap can be all the difference, in a rally you have more of a chance for the driver to shine. wrc is more driver orientated, f1 is more about the car.
No offence to any F1 fans, but far as I can see the F1 Driver's are overpaid.
Yes there is alot of training involved to become an F1 Driver, but they are at a circuit for 2/3 days and complete an average of 50 laps.WRC Drivers are often in 1 place for upto 1 week and have to complete a certain amount of miles in 1day with various time checks

yes they are overpaid, but saying they only complete 50 laps in a weekend and thats it is so wrong. what about all the practice sessions? 3 practices per race weekend, most drivers will complete over 100 laps in these sessions combined. then theres all the development they put into the cars and the insane amount of fitness work they need to do almost every day.
 
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