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Seicento The New Uno Turbo 1.4 Seicento :D

Introduction

Well thanks for reading so far... haha...


As a few of you may know, I've had and done a good few seicento conversions in the past and was intending to do my mk2 c20xe (Vauxhall 2ltr) but this time around converting it to turbo (low boost).... Anyhow... As with most things in life, circumstances changed and buying a house took over, so this project sadly seen the bin!

The house took up a massive part of the year, as it needed fully renovating to bring it up to scratch, including rewiring, plastering new kitchen and so fourth... Due to me being self employed as an electrician/plumber, I ended up taking 3 months off work and doing the lot myself....

3 months later it went from this....

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To this....

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We got the keys originally in January this year, and now things have changed yet again as we have just accepted an offer on the house, and currently going through the sale process for it lol!!

However it now means the house we have put an offer on is much newer, requires hardly any work and the best bit.... I finally have a GARAGE :D This is a first for me as im usually found outside in the rain and snow working on my cars....

So now you know why I have been soo quiet, and why my last project was thrown to one side!!

Anyhow, onto the car!! Ive been secretly waiting for my old 1.4 seicento turbo to come back online for sale, always joking that if it did then I would buy it to strip into parts as it had a fortune 'apparently' spent on it (think upwards of 18k)....

Very recently, I had a text off todger, with an ebay item number :p Thinking nothing of it i searched the number, and to my surprise the 1.4 seicento was on there for sale haha!! I rang todger and talked through whether or not it would be worthwhile to buy back, and we ended up making an offer to the guy for £650....

As the car had a gearbox problem (solidly stuck in gear), it needed to be trailered upto me from Kent to Warwickshire for the grand sum of £135....

Anyhow, it arrived, and to be fair I had forgot how bad it looked.... what an eyesore..

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As much as it looked bad when I owned it the last time, it has got progressively worse!... Its well known on the forum as a bit of a sl*g car due to the amount of owners it has had in its life....

It was apparently built by Wardy25 and his friend, with wardy paying for most of the work. From what I gather, there was a dispute of some sort between the two, and the car was never fully finished.. As you can see it wasn't mint, but it never used to look quite so bad...

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No idea how its got into the state that its in now lol, but its time for me to change that!!

The original car is way too gone to save, and to be fair as I point out later, the engine conversion itself hasn't originally been carried out too great... Such things as the main engine mount being welded to the thin bay metalwork, and not to anything structural resulting in the mount passing through the bodywork... How was this repaired?... with the aid of exhaust rubbers mashed in-between the body and engine supporting it in place lol.

Ive started stripping the car down.... and NOT to my surprise I've found loads of reasons why this car has never actually ran properly lol..

The engine bay... Upon inspection at this point, things just look messy, but nothing screams out at you...

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Then its time to uncover the electrics... (ignoring that the badly positioned stainless boost pipe work is arching out on the broken HT leads)..

All this lot was hidden in a plastic box in the engine bay....

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There are exposed connections all over the place in the engine loom, for example the coil... Soldiered, practically all pins touching...

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Relays

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Dizzy slam panel mod... (as you can see the boost pipe runs across the HT leads, and with the friction it has worn through two leads creating obvious problems).

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And then onto my favourite... The engine mounts....

With this beauty, it seems to have been welded to a single skin part of the car which has no under support as far as I can tell... The mount looks to have given way (well at least ripped the metal work apart)... and then fixed with perished exhaust rubbers... Im guessing by the look of the half width cambelt, the engine has dropped while running...

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We then have this other 'custom' mount on the gearbox side.... (there is one to the rear, but I haven't got a pic yet... I will however as that's a beauty too)...

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Other than the fact the wirings bad, the mounts are awful, its an eyesore, and the car is stuck in gear.. I think ive got a bargain... *rolls eyes*

The car is currently in this state, and im removing the salvageable parts off, to reclaim some money back and then put towards the rebuild & reshell...

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I'm intending to...

*Fully strip the engine and rebuild
*Buy a replacement gearbox, or recondition the one I have
*Re-shell into a better donor car
*Run the engine on Megasquirt
*Fit Coilovers to the new shell
*Install Full Poly Bush Kit
*UT Brake Upgrade
*Re design the engine mounts!!

I think the above is going to work out a fair bit, however I have openly admitted this car had a lot of problems in the past, so I am hoping to resolve these in the next shell to make it a more drivable car rather than something that's only good In a straight line.

The engine is due a rebuild (and apparently was in 2008), although after seeing how bad its been put together (wondering where the 18k was spent), I sadly don't believe a thing about the car and will be starting again from scratch!!!

The house move is due around November time, so I will be carrying out the bulk of the conversion then, although little bits will be done between now and then :p
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hmm tape over fog lights #becasuseracecar ?

haha, open to offers on them really mate.. Didn't think they would sell on here in fairness as their more suited to the VW world...

and the tape #becauseMOTlol

although im not sure if I've even got my MOT booked today as he said he could fit me in, but didn't give me a bloody time... *sat twiddling thumbs*
 
Whoooooo hoooooo.... Passed with no advisories...

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and to celebrate, it was time to refit the side skirts that were originally held on with household gripfill.... thanks to the previous owner...

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Just have the arches to seam seal tomorrow if I get chance, and lower the car back to the height it should be :p
 
Well... the time has come to leave this thread!!...

But not because its being left, or up for sale lol, its more due to our house sale/purchase going through on Friday (hopefully)....

That's priority at the moment, and obviously I wont have broadband for quite a few weeks while im waiting for it to be installed at the new house.

There will be work going on (more than likely) behind the scenes, so there will hopefully be a big update when im back on here fully...
 
Thanks :p

I was meaning to ask you actually as I remember your a dab hand with an MR2...

Im weighing up intercooler options, looking for an intercooler which has the in and out on the same side, but ideally top & bottom.... I stumbled on an MR2 one, which looks ideal, but have never seen one in real life.... I was wondering with your experience do you think one would possibly fit in the red square section (pipes vertically, one above the other)?

Im looking at relocating the oil cooler to the green square, and then im left with the red area to find something decent that fits haha :D

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i know your selling up, just having a gander, it was there originally, i had some pipes properly made up for the oil cooler
 
Sorry, I was busy last months :)

So, Did it work? Or will it work? I haven´t seen much progress by the time.
I´m doing oposite :) I´m converting serial FIRE Uno to Turbo i.e. look :))

http://horsepowers.in/diskuze/index.php?msg_group=1&action=show&id=106780

I didn´t say that this engine is too heavy (it´s much lighter than 1,4 Twinspark for exp) but there are better choices what to put into cento

1,4 Tjet 16V maybe? in final, it will cost the same.
+ UT ECU management is completely disaster. And when something coming wrong, spare parts are allready off sale. So you are converting 15 years old car with 25 years old engine technology. Turbosizing is fun, but....

there are different ways.

But that´s just my opinion (I had 12 Uno Turbos, 4 Punto GT´s and many converted Centos as well) so I think I can say....

Anyway Good luck ;)



haha this debate again....more to the question why not?

The Vauxhall engine was just done for a laugh, and because at that point I had never seen it done... It has been done since, and is actually a good conversion, just not worth the work as its a LOT to get it in, and wastes a lot of £££...

The Uno Turbo is NOT a really heavy engine... Its an iron block, with alloy head like most engines, then obviously the added weight of the turbo, extra sensors etc... Its a known strong engine, and as for it being 'ancient' its only as old as the PUNTO GT, as 99% is interchangeable.

I do respect your comments and only explaining why I like doing things out of the box compared with your usual 1.2 16v conversions (which I have done a few of)... I enjoy the challenge initially, and the learning curve trying to get things to fit that shouldn't. I find that the most negative people are those that are too scared to have a go themselves, or only follow what everyone else has done. Which isn't a bad thing, just I prefer personally to be different.

The 'ancient' engine is not going to be run on 'ancient' separate fuel & spark ecus as it originally would have, as I am going down the megasquirt route which isn't documented online for the engine, nor are there any base maps... Again, I know nothing about megasquirt, and am looking forward to this as a massive learning curve..

With regards to weight, its a fair point, however take a look at curb figure's of the uno turbo, next to a current production fiat 500 which has a similar chassis to my seicento....

Uno Turbo Curb Weight - 711–910 kg
Fiat 500 Curb Weight 865–980 kg

It gives you a rough indication that the uno isn't such a heavy engine for a small car... Also weight distribution on the 500 will be similar, so can be a comparable argument.

My car will have a battery relocation to the boot (as it wont fit in the bay) and the suspension has been ordered with a rating of (front load: 610kg rear load: 630kg) which is more than enough to hold the engine....

If the car was designed for Formula 1 then I would grant you a valid point on the weight distribution, however the car is for the road, and I don't want to calculate the weight distribution every time I have a passenger that weighs more or less than the previous (god forbid they bring any luggage with them lol)....
 
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