General Tempra progression thread

[CLXCraig]

Started work on the Tempra today.

Main job is to see if we cn sort the turbo, as this is really the biggest job to do.

started with removing all the boost pipework, all of it was fairly oily inside, including the air fliter and the inside of the inlet manifold was covdered too. no wonder it failed emmisions! Im now certain the problem is the seal on the bearings is split alloying the oil being pumped to the turbo to be sucked through the whole system. this would be all the pipework, intercooler, inlet manifold and its even down the atmospheric pressured pipework from the filter box. Plan on getting it all out and giving it a good wash. then a good black to back so it looks nice after.

Oil on the rocker cover was diagnosed to be a non sealing oil filler cap. new one to be sourced and the other binned. as this is also covered think i will take the cover off and clean and perhaps paint/polish so it looks nice too.

After removing all the pipework the task was then to remove the power steering pump as mentioned in the porter manual. Theres a PDF copy on here if you need one, covers all tempras/tipos pretty much. It was pig to do as the bolt that hold it onto the braket are under the inlet manifold.

Managed to get the two end bolts off that hold the inlet manifold in place. ticht to break off but spun off by hand after that. think that was the two, i wondered why it wasnt budging.. theres two morre under the two centre ports. no enough room to get a spanner in from the side, so i had to build up an extension approx 7inches for the ratchets. managed to wriggle it in from behind and locate it on the bolt. then couldnt get the ratcher onto it! annoyed and running out of time i tryed removing it but the extension came appart and the socket and half of the extension fell below. Pokeable with a long screw driver but not retrivable. And that was the end of the engine work for today!

Returned from a victorious game of fottball and decided to clean the interior dash/plastics as they were quite faded. qucik dust off and out with the back to black. now shines lovely front middle and back

Tomorrows job..

retrieve socket
remove manifold
figure out how to get the exhaust mani off
remove it
get at the turbo

obviously this goign to be easier said than done.

Will put some pics up soon

 

[CLXCraig]

Will also look into cleaning the inside of the intercooler i'm sure the will be oil all over it.

 

[CLXCraig]

well rain didnt help matters much today. i did however find the socket after about an hour. thats all i managed.

The brake fluid and PAS fluid resevoirs get in the way of the ratchet so i cant get my hands in there.

Might look at getting the IC and relevant piping out tomorrow after work if it stays dry

 

[maddogmorg]

the fluid reservoirs should be held on with only one or two bolts, undo them, if it needs any support just tape it somewhere,

nice to hear of a tempra being looked after, i fear most get neglected these days.

 

[CLXCraig]

The brake fluis resevois is in the way and i have unbolted it, the pipes are short though and restrict any more movemnet and if you lie it down it gets in the way some more... its 90% empty as the brake pipe slit and it peed everywear so might just take the hoses off of it.

nice to see i'm not the only one in this thread though!

 

[Ziomike]

Will also look into cleaning the inside of the intercooler i'm sure the will be oil all over it.

A few bits I forgot :

To get to the intercooler you need to take the front bumper off, that need the radiator grille taken out to get to two of the bolts, there are about 6 in all plus some clips in the shrouds in the front wheel arches. The intercooler was replaced after I bought the car as the old one was badly split so there was no turbo boost. It was replaced with a unit from another car and was working fine, I took the pipes off an jet washed them to get the crud out. Thinking about it, the pipes were very oily then and if they are again then the turbo seals were probably going then, however this time is the only time it failed MOT on emissions.

To get the exhaust manifold out remove the inlet manifold bolts, they hold both manifolds on. It's easier if you have some of those "wobbly" socket extenders to allow some "fiddle" in getting in.

Alternator brushes were replaced about 2 years ago, this is a job that is easier to do on the car, dismantling the alternator in situ, if you have the power steering pump and manifolds out then maybe have a look at the alternator as well. I have an alternator in bits for refurb if you want it, needs a new brush / regulator block which can be bought on-line.

I mentioned the water pump seals were going, again another job whilst all the bits are out. You nee to dispalce the power steering pump to ge to the water pump. Take the water pump pulley off, 3 bolts underneath hold the pump body in place, there is no need to remove the water pump body, and causes less problems.

I have dismantled down to the turbo, and also replaced the whole head on another TD's, (not that one), a long job and fiddly in places but very doable. Keep bolts and bits with their respective parts do they don't get mixed up.

The main intercooler pipe over the top of the engine has a metal bracket bolted down to the gearbox, it suffers from metal fatigue at the gearbox end, on other TD's I have welded them back together, but it runs just a well without.

From the injector pump there is a small rubber hose running right to just under the header tank,this is the feed to the boost pressure sensor, they have a habit of the pipe falling off with time resulting in no boost gauge, otherwise it runs fine just no gauge.

I have a timing belt adjuster tool if you want it, a fairly easy job but can be fiddly.

That's all for now, PM or email if you have any questions.

I have Porter and Haynes manuals on-line for the Tempra here - www.brickfieldspark.org/temp/fiatmanuals/temprainfo.htm - big downloads (16 & 54Mb) but they are free. There are other downloads there for other bits as people asked for them, but I no longer have the FIAT dealer manuals they came from.

 

[CLXCraig]

Hi Mike. Most of what you have said seems to make sense.

There was a PDF copy of a tempra porter manual on here, which we downloaded. The dealer manuals we got from yourself are a bit confusing.

I figured to get to the IC i'd need to take the bumbper off. Give me a chance to clean any dead insects out of the radiator too. Top boost pipe that runs over the top of the engine only had one bracket attached to the rocker cover, nothing on the gear box.

Pressure gauge seems to work fine as they're was a reading when driven home.

Will get the MOT failure problems sorted first and work from there. Very different to work on compared to the small FIRE engines im used to.

 

[CLXCraig]

More work done today. although it doesn't really feel like it.

First of all i took the brake fluid resevoir off as this was in the way of the ratchet. also in the way was the pipe that goes from the PAS pump to the PAS fluid resevoir. the fluid then p'ed everywhere so i stuck rag in to block the holes. not so sure it worked as theres a big brown puddle on the drive now. oops.

next the bumber came off. nice and easy to do. un clipped the hose for the lamp washer jets and the contents of the screenwash tank emptied at a very fast rate. just under 5l in all!

Intercooler came off next. what a pain that was! all thats left to remove is the pipework that goes from the "out" of the turbo to the "in" of the IC. wedged amongst coolant pipes and the battery tray and gearbox its a pig to work with. will attampt that tomorrow morning.

I will now hopefully be able to start getting the the bolt from the inlet manifold and then the ball will be rolling. i'm sure a bump will come up somewhere though

 

[CLXCraig]

Remainder of boost pipework came out today along with the airbox. bolts removed from the underside of the inlet manifold finally, but it seems seized on so that'll be the next problem.

 

[CLXCraig]

Remainder of boost pipework came out today along with the airbox. bolts removed from the underside of the inlet manifold finally, but it seems seized on so that'll be the next problem.

Seized? no. All bolts off? no.

There was a fifth bolt under the inlet manifold which i found this morning whilst trying to see if anything was jamming on the studs. As soon as the bolt was loosend the inlet mani came loose and slid off.

Next job is to remove turbo and manifold from exhasut. could be difficult i think as the bolts are very rusty and hard to get at. All been sprayed with penetrating fluid so hopefully they'll free up a bit.

 

[CLXCraig]

other comitments now mean the car can't be kept. listed for sapres so if anyone needs anything then reply to the add or PM me