General Spotted at the local scrappy

[Eklipze3k]

Just seen this at my local scrappy. Could only find the 1 but the measurements on it seemed perfect for the Sei - 13", 5.5j, et38. It was a bit grubby but it looked like the manufacturer was Ronal(?). Anyone know if they still make these? And if anyone is planning a trip to their local scrappy, could you keep an eye out for any more for me plzkthx

 

[MRodz]

Wouldn't ET38 be a bit too deep for a 13" wheel? Sportings are ET30,5 IIRC...

 

[StoneNewt]

Stock Sei Sporting alloys are ET27.5, iirc the Abarths are ET37 with 10mm spacers up front and 3mm spacers at the rear.

ET38 is perfect putting you comfortably in hubcentric territory, the problem area is 31 to 35 as you really need hubcentric spacers but with a 58mm centre bore you've not got the metal to use them.

 

[MRodz]

Abarths were 14" ET36 with 10mm up front, none on the rear. I heard the ET27,5mm wheels were for CC, while Seis got 30,5mm (not 100% sure on this though).

If you want to use spacers then sure, that's a fine ET. By "perfect" though I assumed nothing needed to be done to fit them.

 

[StoneNewt]

Sei sportings are most definitely ET27.5 I've got 4 of them and it's stamped on the rim. If there's no spacers at the rear of a Sei Abarth I have no idea why I've got 2 3mm 98x4 spacers then

But the point is you want to be aiming for around ET27 at the front of the car. So more than 10mm over that and you're fine with spacers. Personally I'd say perfect is with 10mm spacers as you can increase the track easily without having issues about wheels having no centerbore to rest on

 

[MRodz]

Hmm.. someone lied to me then

No spacers applies to the 14" Abarths. If you have spacers though it's a bit of a mystery to me too, since I always thought it's the front that needs more space. So if you have no spacers up front then even more so there shouldn't be any at the back, right?


PS Did you have the car from new?

 

[StoneNewt]

I think someone got mixed up, Cinqs have a spacer up front nothing on the rear & Seis have no spacers on the stock sporting.

You need a wider track at the front, not necessarily spacers as the natural track at the rear could be much smaller than the front.

No my Abarth wasn't from new.

 

[MRodz]

Oops, sorry - I misread that you have 2 spacers on the rear and none on the front All's fine then.... end of OT

 

[Eklipze3k]

My god, so much OT on this thread now

Stock Sei Sporting alloys are ET27.5, iirc the Abarths are ET37 with 10mm spacers up front and 3mm spacers at the rear.

ET38 is perfect putting you comfortably in hubcentric territory, the problem area is 31 to 35 as you really need hubcentric spacers but with a 58mm centre bore you've not got the metal to use them.

The current offset was the only thing I wasn't 100% about, so hubcentric spacers would be required (on the assumption I can find another 3 wheels ofc ). Centre bore is the other thing I wasn't 100% on - iirc the Sei is 57.1. If those wheels are 58 then surely a spigot to fill the gap? And vice versa - if the centre bore on the wheels is smaller, then just machine them out?

 

[MRodz]

Fiat centre bore is 58,1mm

 

[richie.guy]

But the point is you want to be aiming for around ET27 at the front of the car. So more than 10mm over that and you're fine with spacers. Personally I'd say perfect is with 10mm spacers as you can increase the track easily without having issues about wheels having no centerbore to rest on

Anything over 8mm you should use hubcentrics on Fiat hubs, as a general rule.

Unless I have misread what you ean regarding centre bore and wheel centering.

After 8mm there is very little hub lip left, this needs to be replicated by the hubcentric on a spacer.

 

[StoneNewt]

Completely agree with you.

The problem is some wheels have a large bevel on the centre bore which means you need to have 5mm or more hub centre left exposed before they'll sit properly.

The result is anything needing more than 4mm spacers can become a problem. Once you pass the 8mm threshold then you can make hubcentric spacers with wheels of the correct centre bore.

 

[Eklipze3k]

So i'm guessing that no-one recognises these wheels then? One of the guys at work - Marti155 - reckons they are off an Abarth of some kind but I'm not so sure