Running a 1.9 JTD on 50/50 veg oil diesel mix

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Has anyone any experience of running a 1.9 JTD on a 50/50 mix of veg oil diesel. There is conflicting views. i realise the fliter will need changing more often, and in cold winter a stronger diesel mix will be required.

 

[JFL]

I personally would never run my car on the stuff.

Engines werent designed to run on this stuff when they were built.

It may also rob/sap your power and come when we get very cold winter mornings you may find that it isnt as easy to start running your car

 

[Gary]

It may also rob/sap your power

Couldn't be more wrong actually ran a lot smoother once the crap was brought out the talk into the filter and hardly any smoke when you boot it.
Have a look in Multipla section, i ran my Multipla on it with no problems just remember to change fuel filter as it cleans the crap out.

also look here:

http://www.angeltuning.co.uk/bio-diesel.asp

They run their 2.4jtd alfa on bio diesel

 

[a1ant]

Yea, as above. I know lots of people who run their JTD's on 50/50 mix and with good results too. Personally i wouldnt in the winter just because you require fuel heaters etc which is too much hastle for me... but i have been very tempted!

 

[toad101]

i've used 100% bio-diesel and no problems, i'm currantly using 25% sunflower oil

 

[sludgeguts]

Engines werent designed to run on this stuff when they were built.

Really?

Rudolf Diesel's prime model, a single 10 ft (3 m) iron cylinder with a flywheel at its base, ran on its own power for the first time in Augsburg, Germany, on August 10, 1893. In remembrance of this event, August 10 has been declared "International Biodiesel Day". Diesel later demonstrated his engine and received the Grand Prix (highest prize) at the World Fair in Paris, France in 1900.
This engine stood as an example of Diesel's vision because it was powered by peanut oil — a biofuel, though not biodiesel, since it was not transesterified. He believed that the utilization of biomass fuel was the real future of his engine. In a 1912 speech Diesel said, "the use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today but such oils may become, in the course of time, as important as petroleum and the coal-tar products of the present time.".[10]
During the 1920s, diesel engine manufacturers altered their engines to utilize the lower viscosity of petrodiesel (a fossil fuel), rather than vegetable oil (a biomass fuel). The petroleum industries were able to make inroads in fuel markets because their fuel was much cheaper to produce than the biomass alternatives. The result, for many years, was a near elimination of the biomass fuel production infrastructure.

 

[faster4_tec]

in winter I'd run more like 2/3 diesel 1/3 veg oil.

you can really only run more than that if you get the proper veg oil heated cell tank thing, then you can run 100% when its warmed up :worship:


if your cars worth a bit (say more than £3/5k) and your keeping it for the forseeable future, its defo worth the £1k conversion cost to allow 100% veg oil running.

although what with recent fuel mishaps, the price of veg oil is on the rise again. tis pretty much 60p a litre now for new stuff :bang:

 

[mountainmachine]

They run their 2.4jtd alfa on bio diesel

Yes BIO DIESEL not Veg Oil.

Why do so many people confuse the too, yes bio diesel is made from veg oil, but its a different thing.

I'd say do some research, many diesels can happily be run on Veg oil at a certain mix, but many cant. It'll depend on various factors, loads of web info about it all.

 

[darrude]

You shouldn't run a Comon rail diesel on VEG oil, it will, over time clog up the injectors and fuel rail.

 

[JFL]

You shouldn't run a Comon rail diesel on VEG oil, it will, over time clog up the injectors and fuel rail.

Exactly what i thought

a non turbo'd diesel should run fine on veg oil.

such as a bog standard doblo 1.9D van.

But i would never put it in a new style jtd/multijet engine

 

[Helz]

I've just started running the Bismarck (BMW 330d) on a biodiesel mix (you can read my experiences here). As T says above, veggie oil (SVO) and biodiesel aren't the same - biodiesel is veggie oil filtered and with additives to make it very similar in consistency and performance to normal diesel. Do your research via the links above and make sure to find a reputable supplier who can answer your questions and is confident in his fuel. I spent a few weeks reading and researching and am quite happy with what I use Some of the points above include a 50/50 mix in winter (as biodiesel gels up at a higher temperature than normal deisel and your car won't start until it warms up again), though this is controversial as if the fuels don't mix down to a virtually molecular level, you will still get globules of fuel forming, which may cause problems at low temperatures - could try and find somewhere that uses additives to ensure the fuels mix better or to lower the gelling point without affecting running. Also making sure the fuel is well filtered by centrifuge, gravity, matrix and/ or particle filters to remove methanol, water and any solid particles. You are also well advised to change the fuel filter after the first few hundred miles as it will clear all the gunk out from your engine (so the car may run less smoothly than usual for this short period but then more smoothly from then on) but then after that, usual service intervals only so you can try and coincide using biodiesel with a service interval to save it being done twice Last but not least are warranty issues - many manufacturers don't recommend biodiesel yet and, depending on wording, warranties may be voided by its use so check that out if your car's still under warranty.

And very last, a month ago, I knew no more than you so it is possible Oh and if you're in Carlisle area, I can help you out with a supplier

 

[x Alex x]

we used to run the Audi on 100% bio, ran fine, smoother, possibly faster, smelt bad and didn't start too well, sometimes it didn't start and the battery died, by this time it was only 10/15p a litre cheaper than diesel so my dad packed it in.

 

[faster4_tec]

yeah sorry, by veg oil I mean't with additives (spirits/alchol?) not pure veg oil.

you can get biodiesel at the pumps, but pay anywhere between 80/105p a litre depending where in th country you are, making it either worthwhile, or pointless.

 

[sludgeguts]

A while back I noticed Tesco made a thing about all their lorries running on bio so I emailled them to ask if they would be selling it at the pumps & they sent me back a list of their forecourts selling bio & one of them was my local.
Had to walk around checking each pump to find the ONE pump out of the twenty possible - it wasn't very well signed & they had the cheek to be charging 1p/litre more than diesel for a 5% mix.

 

[faster4_tec]

as I said, somewhere sometime, depending what part of th country you live in whether they sell it at a realistic price, or whether its part of the comedy 'carbon offsetting' move going on at the mo.


or other parts like where I am now, where people appear skint, so they sell it for a more realistic price, when you can get hold of it (only at morrisons, and I've never seen teh pump unlocked, its always ran out).

 

[ChrisUK]

There is a local factory in the industrial estate near me that make their own bio diesel and sell it from a pump at 88p a litre last time I checked. I've nearly finished the purchase process on a Punto HGT JTD to run on that stuff .

 

[sludgeguts]

I asked Fiat for their views on veg oil & biodiesel.
Apparently, they are more than happy for waranty customers to run their motors on no more than a 5% mix of bio & normal diesel without affecting the warranty.
The reason they mention a 5% mix is because biodiesel has a corrosive nature and certain parts of the engine will be damaged if more than 5% is used.
They kept very quiet about veg oil.

So, if your motor is out of warranty & you only plan to keep it a few more years, fill it with biodiesel, otherwise, 5%.

 

[Helz]

A lot of diesel is already at a 5% mix, as allowed the the european standard for diesel at the pumps This is why Fiat say it's OK - presumably if the EU said it was a good idea to throw your car off a cliff, Fiat would probably say that was OK too :devil:

The biodiesel itself shouldn't be corrosive but there are certain things used in the manufacturing process, such as water and methanol, that will be corrosive if they aren't properly filtered out. This is why you should do plenty of research and talk to potential suppliers before going ahead

EDIT - unless there are any rubber parts, biodiesel can affect rubber over time but otherwise is fine.

 

[toad101]

bio diesel is only corrosive to natural rubber fuel lines if used at 100%

 

[sludgeguts]

just been watching yeasterday's 'chop shop' programme & the guy was using old cookin oil to run a motor.
All I saw was him pouring it through a couple of filters to catch the crud, leaving it overnight to settle then mixing it with diesel, stirring & leaving for a while to see if it splits. He also fitted an inline heater to warm the mix up before it hits the engine.

Or did they show more & I missed it?