Tuning Reprogram or tuning box ?

[dragonwagon]

I'm minded to tune my 1.6 mjet eco - what's the best way to go ?

Reprogram or tuning box ?

I'm sure someone can voice an opinion....

 

[dave]

depends, do you want some thing you can sell on when you get rid of the car?

where will you go for a remap? doorstep map isnt worth 200 quid, what do you want from a remap just power or things like egr deleted?

 

[dragonwagon]

A bit more bottom end torque, BHP increase nice but not essential. looking currently at Superchips for a remap - there are others out there that I need to look at further.

Suggestions welcomed.

 

[dave]

where do you live?

Superchips are a franchise, i would go for an independent that has built their own rep

 

[dragonwagon]

West Wales - I have looked at Angel Tuning and Celtic Tuning, also the West midlands is an easy drive for me with Midlands Tuning in Wolverhampton offering a remap that could well fit the bill.
Who would you recommend - no real issue travelling there.

 

[Crispy boss]

celtic tuning seem to have a good rep

 

[dave]

if you are not getting a custom remap on a rr then you will be better off with a TMC box for the money. its not worth driving to west midlands for same as you can get in wales

post up on here http://bemodified.co.uk/ see who people use local

 

[ban1111]

hi dragonwagon,
as i am a cheapskate i would buy a tuning box,but as you have mentioned superchip and therefore you are willing to spend 300 odd notes,then id have the superchip.
They franchise out sure, locally we have graham goode Leicester who has a reputable pedigree, and i am sure you would find a superchip dealer nearby who also has a reputable pedigree.
Please don't listen to any of this "unless you have a custom remap"rolling road stuff as your ECU in your 105bhp bravo has exactly the same map on it as every other bravo 105 has on. so unless you are doing other mods on top something like superchip would be perfect for your car..

 

[nunney]

I've got a Drakebox on mine. Extra power at a loss of about 40 MPG per Tank, or +40 MPG if you lower the setting. "BEWARE THOUGH" If a tuning box fails whilst the engine is turning it will throw the timing out, could be quite serious if at speed...I know this as it has happened to me in the past. Worth the risk though, but only my opinion!!

 

[dave]

Please don't listen to any of this "unless you have a custom remap"rolling road stuff as your ECU in your 105bhp bravo has exactly the same map on it as every other bravo 105 has on. so unless you are doing other mods on top something like superchip would be perfect for your car..

when are you going to get it into your head that its not worth paying 200-300 for some thing you can diy for less than £50

cars might all have same factory map and same ecu, but pop along to any rr day and you will see Fiats all have different standard power

unless you put car on rollers and read the graph how are you going to know every thing is done right and the mapper hasn't just upped the fuelling

 

[ban1111]

when are you going to get it into your head that its not worth paying 200-300 for some thing you can diy for less than £50

cars might all have same factory map and same ecu, but pop along to any rr day and you will see Fiats all have different standard power

unless you put car on rollers and read the graph how are you going to know every thing is done right and the mapper hasn't just upped the fuelling

i had been warned you are a bit of a know it all but christ that takes the biscuit, that's like saying anyone can kick a football,and thinking they are in some way anywhere near as good as say a player like messi!

Not even going to waste my time with your rolling road mentality i am fully aware of all the pros and cons! and have come across numerous cars that have had to have fine tuning afterwards merely because the end result wasn't that good for real road driving but that's another story.

Interestingly you advice the use of a £300 tuning box ahead of a superchip
remap! no doubt a good tuning box,but strangely only £50 cheaper than a remap from a reputable firm of 35 years,thats not reputable enough for you
or your £50 bodge job!

were tuning is concerned i think i will start listening to you when you
can explain to me why decent tuning boxes can give better lowdown results than full on custom remaps? or you produce some fuel trims calculation or a VE map from a 1.9 mjet engine and show at what rpm you outflow the MAF. then and only then can you
use "when are you going to get it through your head" mentality with me.

Till then when will you get it through your head you don't know enough about engines and tuning to preach to me or anyone else for that matter
stick to giving your opinion,as will I and as i said in MY opinion the superchip is a decent choice,and the fact you thing you could do as good a job for 50 notes!

 

[dave]

warned by a salesman who thinks he's a tuner?

custom remaps are not what you have been telling people to buy

with any remap once you have spent the money its gone, with a good rep box you can sell it when not needed for not much of a loss

 

[ban1111]

warned by a salesman who thinks he's a tuner?

custom remaps are not what you have been telling people to buy

with any remap once you have spent the money its gone, with a good rep box you can sell it when not needed for not much of a loss

????!!!! i see you have not lost the knack of knowing it all,yes i was warned
on here only yesterday.No i dont believe the person sells or tunes anything.
No i never said superchip was a custom remap!. err dont we do 3 strikes and your out?

I asked you why decent tuning boxes can give better lowdown torque than a custom remap? you passed on that.
no doubt you will pass on the VE map for a 1,9 jtd and you'll pass on the fuel trims. in fact i am getting a feeling you'll pass on anything technical which is a worry given you can remap! ok something simple howz about the MAF air reading at tickover 800rpm for a 1.9 jtd in either kg/h or g/s?
Oh forgot if your lucky you might found something on the internet,but hey no copying any of my old stuff!
Nobody should remap anything unless they know a car is running to speck!


I quite agree you could sell on a tuning box but after several years and how technology moves on not sure you'd get anywhere near what you think.

Look i think its good to let people know what's out there and give your preference is one thing but to
slate off a perfectly decent company in this case superchip or any company based solely on your preferences and frankly without the greatest of indepth knowledge is a bit rich,unfortunely i have a big mouth!

 

[dave]

i never said i can write a map, i have said for £50 people can buy what they need to download their exising map and upload a new pre written map to the ecu, that is all a lot of these doorstep and non rr remap places do. You should be able to find threads by members that have done this with a search.

people who have been here long enough know i dont know it all, but when going to investegate companies i took a man with me who does infact know it all and more.

i can read a rr graph

have a look in classifieds on here to see what people get back when they resell their tuning box. Not sure about other boxes but the tmc box can be reprogramed for your new car instead of selling it.

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I asked you why decent tuning boxes can give better lowdown torque than a custom remap? you passed on that.

ive not seen graphs for every decent tuning box and map writers (not uploaders) i know can put the power where ever you want it. there is no answer to such a sweeping statement.


ive had an AT doorstep map
ive had a red dot custom map and watched the whole process from writing the actual map to uploading and rr and real road testing
I have a TMC box and i also know they have been fitted for members and independently tested by another tuning company who is not only not connected to them but a competitor for the same market. and they were impressed with the product.

what would i chose faced with the ops original question.
if i didnt want/need egr or dpf delete and had no other extreme mods Id go for a member tried and tested with FF trader support tuning box.

if i wanted or needed egr/dpf delete i'd go to a custom map writer like www.reddotracing.co.uk/ or www.tune4performance.com/ depending on who was offering the best deal at the time.

or just take a copy of the file from a member that had already the file, then take it too one of the above if i feck it all up, like some doorstep mappers do

 

[turbo_pib]

Tuning boxes are extremely good value
I had one fitted on my multipla jtd and i could not fault it at all
Increase power and better mpg
But be aware of many dodgy companies out there (not gonna name them) that charge you £300 to increase fuel or boost pressure (they come to your house usually) doing no good to the engine itself (personal experience on vag 1.8t engine)
Remapping a car actually reading stats on a rolling road is slightly better if the guy doing it knows how to do it, ironing out flat spot, disabling egr/dpf and bringing it to a safe bhp thats not gonna destroy standard clutch/dmf
(i can recommend wilkinson vehicle solutions near bridlington for that)
Tuning boxes are good value, adjustable, easy to install or remove but i dont think they are as "refined" as a "good RR remap"
(note a good rr remap)
At the end of the day you get what you pay for:thumbup:

 

[ban1111]

"ive not seen graphs for every decent tuning box and map writers (not uploaders) i know can put the power where ever you want it. there is no answer to such a sweeping statement."

Why would you need to see a graph?! that only shows you the results, not the reason why,remember i asked why tuning boxes [good uns] generally give better lowdown torque? or rather they did for sure till not to long ago. There is an answer to that question so no it isn't a sweeping statement at all and i am not trying to butt heads here but you certainly keep giving sweeping non specific statements as answers!

The OP asked about certain products for tuning, in your own non specific way you gave your opinion as to way he shouldn't bother with a world renowned company that's probably older than yourself.... !
Thats what i didnt like....and i can imagine if i said anything bad about TMC you would leading the lynching, although i have no reason to say anything bad about any tuning company, although it is a shame that from what i can see the 3 channel TMC box doesn't have adjustment for the MAF separately, otherwise even i would consider it.

 

[dave]

i need a graph because i need to check that what you say is right, i dont know where the torque is on all tuning boxes with out the graphs, please upload them

if what you are saying is true then i was right to recomend a box over a map for the op since they said when asked what they was looking for was bottom end torque

A bit more bottom end torque, BHP increase nice but not essential.

 

[ban1111]

i need a graph because i need to check that what you say is right, i dont know where the torque is on all tuning boxes with out the graphs, please upload them

if what you are saying is true then i was right to recomend a box over a map for the op since they said when asked what they was looking for was bottom end torque

dave there is nothing for me to upload of course i could go looking for graphs
but you are not understanding what i meant, its the tuning process involved in a single channel tuning box that by its mere principle of intercepting the fuel signal and nothing else,although this itself has an effect on what other sensors react to, normally produces more torque from lowdown....
Of course in a way this isnt a good idea given DMFs notorious err reputation
but that's neither here or their.
I have nothing against RR but its not totally necessary and people nearly always want the best! max figure they can and i say this tonque in cheek "safely have" all based on a mere graph! and don't get me started on MAF false readings and there effect.....

Are you right? well no. hahaha.... the TMC is 3 channel right? so i assume the inherent part of a tuning box to give slightly better lowdown torque could be tuned out by the fact it controls two extra signal operations, the MAF for sure and maybe the Map sensor too....

Now did you bother to look at superchip? their ecu program for the bravo 1.6 105bhp? and lets be clear nearly all tuning companies make claims to bhp/torque outputs... superchip claim 20 extra bhp!!!!thats about 20% more power! Not much really, so is it superchip have become crap in a buisness they have been in since 1977? or is their R&D superior to most?

 

[Dr Zoidberg]

http://www.hlmtuning.co.uk/ in Bromsgrove (easy to get to from Wales) seem to be well regarded in Volvo circles. They have a rolling road and do their own remaps.

£285 for your car with 130bhp as a typical result.

 

[dave]

http://www.hlmtuning.co.uk/ in Bromsgrove (easy to get to from Wales) seem to be well regarded in Volvo circles. They have a rolling road and do their own remaps.

£285 for your car with 130bhp as a typical result.

that's not the one that used to be called some thing else but had to change name because of dodgy rep is it?