Tuning Project Parade: Update #2

[dufty01]

Hi Guys,

As promised... I've been thinking long and hard about the induction... So, I may just go down the non ECU route for the 16v plant...!

Anyway - just thinking at the moment - the manifold will require some work...

All driveshafts in, wheels ready, interior finally done!

Dufty

 

[firstcar-Y10]

oh that's beautiful:yum:, and those big filters presumably sit right under the grille for the old heater box too. Love it.
doing without the heater altogether then or are there alternative arrangements?

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Oh I like, alot!

 

[pandamaniac]

Oh my god I have just had one of those organism things!
Haven't seen that many Webers for a long time.
Luvverly Jubberley.
It will suck like a hooker and go like **** off a shovel!
Dave

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Oh my god I have just had one of those organism things!

 

[lewey]

Sweet. Are those 40s?

 

[firstcar-Y10]

Pic on the right is now my desktop wallpaper nothing quite like the sight of a socking great pair of old school carbs, and seeing them in a Panda is something else. Made my week.
Please tell me you're serious, doesn't look like that manifold is just quite an exact fit there..

 

[dufty01]

Yeah man, DCOE's 40s.

I've been looking into fitment, MPI will be difficult... Basically, wish I'd gone down the 1000 Super with 1242 8v route!!!

 

[dufty01]

OK, OK, just thought... Have a 4x4 at the Yard!

Need to speak to Bergstigson and see if he is up for it - I won't destroy it! any - An orginal 1990 4x4 non SR in light metalic blue - saved from a load of 18 year olds (no problem there - just 'saved') as they decided that cash was better than 2 hours off road...

 

[lewey]

Power + 4x4 gearbox = tears

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Power + 4x4 gearbox = tears

Unfortunately do damn true, and murdering a 4x4 box wouldn't go down to well on here I suspect.

 

[nitro_warrior]

Power + 4x4 gearbox = tears

Unfortunately do damn true, and murdering a 4x4 box wouldn't go down to well on here I suspect.

Whilst this would make sense I raised this a while ago and established I was the only person on here who had actually broken a 4x4 gearbox through abuse. I shattered the diff, like this

and that was with standard engine, but brutally shock loading it when cross axled.

The only broken gearboxes are the usual rattly ones from putting in gearbox oils with yellow metal munching chemicals, and letting all the oils pour out when the gearbox gaiter goes. I raised the question a while ago though, maybe someone now can cite an example of breaking a 4x4 gearbox by fitting a bigger engine?

 

[alexbpl]

Wait a second.........................

Holy ****!

Those carbs are INSANE!! I LOVE IT!!!

How have I not seen this thread already? I have been absent for a while though I must admit.

I miss my 1242 16v Panda already Can't wait to see some power figures from this. What sort of power/torque do you think this will give you?

Bearing in mind that the standard 16v lump makes a Panda go pretty quick this should be brilliant!

 

[lewey]

I raised the question a while ago though, maybe someone now can cite an example of breaking a 4x4 gearbox by fitting a bigger engine?

It's a fair point. My thoughts:

There are very few people on here who have Pandas with power, especially a 4x4. Just because you have power, doesn't mean you have to use it and how you use it is everything of course. If the power was only used in 2WD, it could be OK. Off road is another thing though. I broke the rear diff in a 4x4 when deep in sticky mud and giving it some. If I had more power, it would have broken before I got in the mud on the previous hill no doubt. When there were loads of 4x4s in a local scrap yard, most were in there because of terminal gearbox issues that tells me that they weren't great with standard power. It doesn't mean they weren't abused and doesn't mean that cared for gearboxes can't last. Putting DCOEs into a Panda is presumably to drive harder and faster. Perhaps best to replace bearings and re-do seals before fitting and then maybe a 4x4 system will at least have a chance.

 

[panda1408]

There is no reason to think a 4x4 box will take less power than a 2WD, after all they are pretty much the same box and I'm sure 2WD boxes suffer all the same problems as 4x4 boxes anyway. I guess the only way to find out is to actually try it.

 

[lewey]

There is no reason to think a 4x4 box will take less power than a 2WD, after all they are pretty much the same box and I'm sure 2WD boxes suffer all the same problems as 4x4 boxes anyway. I guess the only way to find out is to actually try it.

The 2WD boxes suffer the same problems and are practically the same, but in 4WD, the boxes and other drivetrain parts are under so much more pressure. It will depend on what the project is for I suppose. It is pretty easy to swap engines and gearboxes in these things, so as you say- suck it and see!

 

[alexbpl]

If you had unlimited time,money and gasket kits - your best chance would be to strip the drivetrain and gearbox and get everything shot peaned.

Over 200bhp has been put through a 4 speed Panda 750 gearbox with shot peaned internals.

 

[lewey]

Over 200bhp has been put through a 4 speed Panda 750 gearbox with shot peaned internals.

What sort of clutch can do this? Must be a totally custom fabricated job. The modern Pandas with 75HP (but high torque) Multijet engines slip their clutches with mild tuning and they are 215mm! You'd need some pretty incredible clamping force on a 170mm clutch to get that sort of power through. It is one of the reasons that a high power turbo Panda (or other very small FIAT) is not so easy to make. The solution is what you've done Alex and custom mount a bigger gearbox!

 

[alexbpl]

The issue is traction and wheel hop. You can get your 200bhp and whatever torque through a shot peened panda gearbox, but as soon as you get wheel hop the load doubles when the weight comes back onto it all, and thats when things break badly. This is helped with full PU engine mounts and bushing.

A standard, new, Cinq clutch has been put onto a 163bhp Panda running 16psi boost and it managed to hold up for 5,000 miles.

After that your into custom jobbies, you send your existing clutch off to Valeo or Lucas and they make all your springs, plates etc out of modifying the nearest sizes they have. Expensive though!

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I take it you have all seen the V12 Panda on youtube?