Technical Powerflex or Fiat?

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Technical Powerflex or Fiat?

Liam

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After smugly thinking my Cinq hadn't come down with any of the usual niggles I have came to the conclusion that the rear bushes are away.

It's very clonky but apart from that it seems fine to me but I'll need to change them.

Anyway, my plan is to strip the arms off myself and go with the arms and bushes to amy local garage and get them to press them.

So Fiat only do the arms do they?

How much are the Powerflex ones?

They are only two rear bushes aren't there?

Liam
 
4 rear bushes in total. 2 per arm. Powerflex replacement bushes are uprated and work out cheaper for 4 than it does for just one new arm at Fiat. Unless your arms are shot
 
Try and lever against the arm and bodywork with a crowbar... If the bushes are dead it'll move quite a bit and with relative ease..

I didnt realise arms could be shot, unless part of them corroded and failed. I thought they were fairly hardy items, and presumed the only reason people replaced them was due to the fact Fiat dont sell the bushes seperately
 
I was thinking the bushes could loosen themselves and maybe wear inside the arm thus wrecking it but this could take sometime perhaps.

Cheers Tom, good man, will post my findings soon.

Liam
 
Well...I dunno, MIght be an idea to see what Pete could tell yu with regards to arm wear

That bushes method works alright, but my 899 was real bad just as I was gonna sell it - I was thinking buishes but turned out to be shock mounting bushes (built into the shocks) ...Ah well
 
The bushes all seem to fail in the same manner. There's a metal tube running through the bush, this is the bit wot the mounting bolt goes through. Around this in the moulding of the bush is a thin rubber tube, then another metal one around that. On the outside of that bit is around 1/2" of rubber, then the outer metal sleve of the bush.

If you're still following, and I am but only just, what happens is the thin rubber tube twixt metal tubes gets torn / worn away. You then get occasional metal to metal contact inside the bush itself, hence the clonking.

To replace the bushes is no easy job.

The rear suspension arm has to be taken off the car, so you need to disconnect and remove the brake pipe and handbrake.

Then you need to remove the old bushes from the arm - the only way I can manage this is in two stages - first the inner then the outer of the bush.

The inner is pulled out using my patented extractor tool - i.e. a 12" long piece of threaded bar and variety of spacing pieces.

Outer then needs to be cut out. Need to be careful here. as you'll need a 12" hacksaw or bigger, disassemble it and reassemble with the blade through t'hole. Cut gently and evenly, making damn sure you don't cut into the suspension arm itself, until the full length of the outer is cut through - then just tap it out. Once the pressure is released by the cutting, it will virtually fall out.

Next, you either need to fit Powerflex bushes which are polyurethane and just push into the remaining holes, or find a sodding great big press which you can then use to force new OEM type bushes in. OEM ones aren't available from Fiat, but some places do sell them on the net.

It's always the outer bushes that go first, from what I have seen. The only way to check them properly is to unload the suspension - jack it up and remove the rear spring, then pull around on the arm to see if there's any movement. If you use a lever to rive it about, you will get some movement due to the fact that the bush is made of rubber but excess play will be obvious.

I can do a set of 4 in me garage, but it takes me about 4 hours at least.
 
oh, missed a bit. There shouldn't really be anything to wear on an arm - all the moving parts etc. bolt on. If the bushes fail, generally they just knock against themselves and don't do any damage to anything else.

I'd have thought the only way an arm could be shot is through rust or accident damage - seeing as though the easy way to fix this (easiest, not cheapest mind) is to just change the whole arm perhaps this is what many garages mean when they say the arm is worn / needs changing.
 
As always good advice from Pete, thanks also to Tom n Sie.

I guess I need to weigh up new arm prices against bushes and extra labour.

Hmmm, could do with finding the arms cheaply, anyone heard of them being below £90?

Cheers

Liam
 
Interesting, have you read the description of the "luxury arm"? Straight swop city but at £159 a bit excessive for my tastes.

Do you think he does black? Not too keen on the blue.

Liam
 
Did a bit of digging today and replacement arms seem best, apparently you can get them on an exchange basis which makes it cheaper, should be under £70 per arm, will post when I confirm the price.

Liam
 
Rang Fiat today for a price for the rear arms, I am getting a price for non-oe stuff tomorrow, anyway guy said part isn't on an exchange basis so the price for one was...............................wait for it............................hope your sitting down..................£92.61!

Over £180 for 2, no thanks!

Liam
 
Oh, do you know how the brain sometimes makes you forget disturbing events?

Well after being at work today and seeing the piece of paper I had scribbled the price on well, £98.61 each they were and if the garage is stocking them they can continue stocking them for a while cos I ain't buying!

Liam
 
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