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If you had used this forum and noticed all of the reoccuring faults that Fiats have, would you have still bought a Fiat?
I'm not sure if I would!
I know they can be fun, (great handling on the brava) but just look; page after page of problems. I recon I'll get a good slagging off about saying this, but at least I have sold my Brava now!
 
Not another one...your all the bloody same...lol

You sell your car, which you cannot praise highly enough while you own it, but the second its gone...you slag it off ;)

I would still have bought mine...every car has its problems...

Daz
 
surely this all boils down to personal experience people! no more no less.
 
Ever visited the alfa forum? lol!

Also, if you go onto other forums there are just as many posts about faults. My housemate has a Foclit and there are no end of "Known faults" on thier forum (the main comment being "I've bought a Foclit and it's as dull as F**K!!! If only I'd bought a bravo!!!" lol!)

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I see no recurring faults, certainly a few ****wits who don't maintain their cars and a the normal age related problems on the older cars but nothing more.

81k and still going on my 1.6.
 
I agree, look after the car and it'll look after you (sometimes ;) )

Anyway, you can buy a brand new car and find faults, its part of life, my Bravo has been awesome to me so far :D (Although I've got Fiat in my blood :D )

Matt
 
****wits!? Steady Tom.

If I had known all the problems I was going to have with the Bravo, would I have bought it?

Too damn right I would!

In five years I have had few problems that could not be attributed to fair wear and tear.

I agree with Tom. Look after her and she will look after you!

Mark.
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And proud of it!

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has it ever occurred to you that there are pages of faults because noone is posting "everything is ok" messages when there car is working? People are only going to post when they have a problem.
 
There is a certain logic to what you say Alan although it's also a completely pointless statement

Would anyone study the NHS and just talk about how many people are NOT ill? Or study crime and release figures for how many people were NOT mugged in 02/03?

People seem to get very defensive when anyone dares to criticise the Bravo, as if they were being attacked personally. People come on the forum waxing lyrically about their 'baby' so is there any need to shout down anyone who thinks differently?


Evryone who disagrees with you Tom is NOT a ****wit. Hope that's not too blasphemous

Personally, I'm fairly neutral - it's not a bad little motor, but it has been the most expensive car to maintain that I've had
 
"Everyone who disagrees with you Tom is NOT a ****wit."

In Tom's defence, he did not say everyone who disagrees with him is a f***wit!

What he meant (and said, actualy) is that there are some f***wits out their who do not maintain there cars, who then complain about faults occurring.

I maintain my Bravo reasonably well and she serves me well!

Qiud Pro Quo

Oh, BTW, Language, please!




Mark.
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Jesus Christ, I'm at it again!

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Mark.
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And proud of it!

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For every car made there is an equal amount of lovers and haters of it. I know people who drive expensive, supposedly reliable cars who tell me it's the worst car they've had and vice versa.
Of course, if you come on a single marque forum, slagging off the vehicle in question, it is usually taken as a personal criticism by the owners in their choice of vehicle.

We all buy our cars for various reasons. Some buy them because they love the styling, some because they love the image, some because they can't afford anything else, some because the insurance was best on that type, some because they had read a good review, or were fleeced by the salesman. Whatever reason, these forums and groups are designed so that users who share a common interest can share information, hints, tips and make friends with like minded individuals.

The company I currently have a contract with, supply me with a car whenever I need to travel, and living in deepest, darkest Norfolk, that's most of the time. Now, in the last year I have driven Toyota Corrola T3's, Peugeot 206 SW's, 307 HDI 1.4 & 2.0, Vauxhall Astras & Meriva's, Ford Focus, Renault Megane's and some others I can't recall. Given the mileage I have to do, I get pretty well acquainted with these vehicles and have my favourites and ones I try to avoid. I therefore feel I am in a position to make some good judgements on these cars as I get to drive them all and compare their good points and bad points. In fact, I think I could create my perfect car from bits of all of them. The handling of the Focus, the seating of the Corolla, the fun of the Megane, the smoothness of the 307.....they all have something I like and something I don't....well, maybe except for the Vauxhall Ashtray, sorry, Astra ;)
Now, my point here is that having driven these cars for lengthy periods, I don't find the need to go on Astra users forums or Focus users forums and slag off the car or even praise it. If someone asks me, I'll tell them.

As Alan rightly points out, you invariably get posts on these forums when something goes wrong, and I disagree with "M" when he says it's a pointless statement. If everything is going smoothly and well, no-one says anything. You don't see people posting on here saying "I got in my car this morning, started her up and drove to work and nothing bad happened at all. Everything worked ok. No problems." Because, as the Honda advert says, the better something works, the more we take it for granted. It's only when something goes wrong that we feel a need to speak up and seek help, assistance and guidance. If you count the times there is a report on the news about bad NHS service compared to when people experience good service, it will be 5-1 in favour of the bad news (my estimate, anyway). I am under permanent treatment with the NHS for a life long sleeping disorder and have received nothing but excellent service and treatment. My 9 week old daughter was born in an NHS hospital and we received impeccable treatment and service in there. I thanked the individuals personally but that's as far as it went. Now, had I received poor treatment, had my daughter or partner suffered in there, it would be all over the news.

So, the balance of "Everything is fine" posts to "Everything is wrong" posts is naturally going to be in favour of the negative.

As for the Bravo/a range, I had a wonderful time with my HGT, so I can't fault it. My Tipo was a bleedin' nightmare, both my Punto's were amazingly reliable, my Cinq was 50/50 and my Sei is as good as my Punto's. I've had good and bad experiences with FIAT, just as I have had good and bad experiences with all my other cars. And for every bad story I hear about a Bravo, I can tell you a bad one about any make of car you care to mention. Every time I see my brother in law, who is one of the most respected and decorated FIAT mechanics in the country, he is always telling me the bad points of every FIAT I own. Understandable as all he does all day is fix the ones that have gone wrong ! ;)

There's nothing like a good healthy debate and you'll always get one here :)

As for Tom and his ****wit statements, in his defence (like he needs me to do that for him) Tom is a highly experienced mechanic and 99.9 times out of a 100 he solves the problem presented to him. Tom also has his own inimitable style of conversation on here, and any of us that know him know that most of the time he has a smile on his face and tongue firmly planted in cheek when making his statements on here. But it is true, we get some people on here who have done some incredibly silly things and truly deserve the label of ****wit !! LOL ;) Tom has helped more people out on here than I care to remember and I feel glad to know that I can rely on him to answer my questions honestly and accurately.

Rob



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Mark

I read and understood Tom's post
He made three statements - a) that he sees NO recurring faults, b) that many faults are normal and age-related

The third statement therefore, logically, refers to the rest of the faults ie they are caused by ****wits who don't look after their cars

Although looking after your car is obviously going to help with reliabilty, many people do so and still have major problems through no fault of their own

That is because there is also a large element of luck involved. There really shouldn't be any 'quid quo pro' at the end of your statement

Finally, you really shouldn't comment on language unless you are going to be even-handed about it. Tom used the word '****wits' first and you made NO comment. I repeated what he had said and you objected
to it
 
M

Sorry but I thought
F***wits!? Steady Tom.
was a comment!



Mark.
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And, "Oh, BTW, Language, please!" was addressed to the thread in general, not anyone person/post specificaly!


Mark.
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AND, the phrase that includes the words nerve, touched and raw springs to mind.

Mark.
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Thought i'd have my tuppence worth after reading the post's above.

Rob i couldn't agree more
and Tom is right, I've had my Brava for 2 1/2 years now and other than general wear and tear it's been the best car i've ever owned (and believe me i've had plenty over the last 20 odd years).
I keep it reasonably well maintained and try to fix anything that goes wrong or might cause something else to fail well before i have a problem with it.
Though i can understand others who may not be very mechanically minded not being on top of things until the fault appears. (though general checks like fluid and tyres should in my opinion be a prerequisite of being an owner of any car).
But again Tom is right there are owners out there that take the p**s and never lift the bonnet, then complain that Fiat are crap because their engine siezed due to lack of oil or water, or their tyres have gone bald.
So i can agree with the use of the word "fu**wits".
And just for the original poster of this thread, i logged onto this forum before i bought my Brava.
Found out what i could expect,made a list of things i might need to do from the basic jobs to the worst case senario, bought my car then started to do the jobs i thought needed doing, (cambelt, service, brakes, M.O.T etc.)
And these jobs were done in the first week of owning it.
So yes knowing what i could expect i would and did still buy my car and very happy i am with it too.


Rab. :)
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M, define a re-occuring problem. I'd define it as a problem happening again and again to the same car, which doesn't happen very often.

There are some common problems like the 1.4 oil spray bar clogging on old cars used mostly for short trips or the rear wiper hose coming off cos they used a plastic pipe that goes really hard over time or the windows going slow as they tried to be clever with the design but 99% of the time you have the problem once and only once.

Certainly there are some people who do not maintain their cars properly or get them maintained 'on the cheap'.

One chap has a 90+k mile bravo, knew it needed a new cambelt, hadn't had it serviced for 18 months and BANG the cambelt snaps. Fiats fault or his?

Or crazy~ass who put the wrong grade oil in his car and a few weeks later seems to be having oil pressure issues. Are these two things related? Maybe.

thomas who smacked his HGT on a kerb and bent some bits and now it won't start yet he wouldn't take it to a fiat garage and has faffed about for quite some time with an independant garage who don't have the kit needed to diagnose it.

If your clutch starts rattling on any car do you a) get it fixed or b) wait until it fails and see how much damage it does then moan about it?

A friend of mine has a fiesta (awful car, kept blowing fuses) and he drove it with a slipping clutch for 3-4 months. (yes, every time I saw him I had told him to get it fixed) Amazingly it had worn through the clutch and had destroyed the flywheel. What should have been a £150 new clutch turned into a £400 repair. He did admit it was his fault though :)

Still on the subject of clutches, would you fit to your car a £35 remanufactured part or a £100 new brand-named part? If you fitted the cheap part would you be surprised if it juddered and didn't last very long? Some people seem to be very surprised when their cheap clutch promptly fails. Now who would you blame? The car maker? The people who made the clutch? The people who fitted the clutch? Hmmm..
 
OK, I'm withdrawing from this discussion because it's already sounding ill-tempered and most of it is based on misunderstanding anyway

Tom - I don't see the relevance of your second post to what I said at all. I made no judgement whatsoever on whether Fiats had recurring faults or not so why you are staging a defence and demanding that I define 'recurring faults' is beyond me

All I said is that not everyone who has lots of problems with their Bravo is a ****wit who neglects it, which was the implication, or at least emphasis, of your original post

If anyone has been careful AND lucky - good for them
Some have been careless
Some have been careful AND unlucky

That's not so difficult to get your head round, is it?

Mark - I don't have the foggiest what you're going on about
 

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