General Offset

[Giacosa]

Been picking up Beta Montecarlo wheels from ebay as they are pretty cool and unfathomably cheap. The wheels are 4x98 bolt pattern 13" in diameter, 5.5" wide and have an offset of 25mm. The plan is to use the 155/70 that are already on the car. I did a search first and got only one direct mention here and its not clear if the guy ever fitted them

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-classic/269961-would-these-wheels-fit-classic-panda.html

My only concern is the offset as the wheels will protrude more from the car than the standard wheels with their offset of 41. Do peeps reckon an offset of 25 is survivable with 155/70s on a 5.5j rim? At the back Y10s don't have a wheelarch lip in the same way a Panda does at the back so have included a foto that shows the relationship of wheel and wheelarch

Ta

PS does anybody have one of these wheels. I only have 3

 

[firstcar-Y10]

Hmmm, somebody might just have bought a set of 4 today at Thoresby park on the cheap Don't know about these but the offset is about the same as the Cinq rims which are a common fit on Pandas.

 

[Aston Martin]

Strange coincidence.
Just glad they're not on a Panda,

 

[panda panda]

Strange coincidence.
Just glad they're not on a Panda,

On any Panda?

or just your Panda?

Would look good on my Panda

 

[2668GRIFFIN]

The only issue i can see is that you will increase the camber,and in effect adverse Tyre wear on inside edge...........but hay it will look the dogs!
Luigi

 

[Bougainvillea Rosso]

I have Cromodora CD58s on the CLX (X1/9) and these have a 27 offset (5" wheels). With 155s on them they are just about legal on the front without extended arches though it's touch and go. The 25 offset may be enough to make it a bit iffy, though if you have 155s on them they will be quite stretched so you might get away with it. I believe that 155s are recommended minimum width for a 5" wheel so you will be stretching them a bit - though not in the comedy way! They might look a bit odd but if you put a wider tyre on them they will stick out a lot.

The backs shouldn't be a problem I don't think. I'm a bit worried that the low offset is going to wear the bearings out quickly but I'm prepared to wait and see on that score.

 

[Giacosa]

Hmmm, somebody might just have bought a set of 4 today at Thoresby park on the cheap Don't know about these but the offset is about the same as the Cinq rims which are a common fit on Pandas.

I suppose it would be cheeky to ask this nice person to part with just one of them

I have Cromodora CD58s on the CLX (X1/9) and these have a 27 offset (5" wheels). With 155s on them they are just about legal on the front without extended arches though it's touch and go. The 25 offset may be enough to make it a bit iffy, though if you have 155s on them they will be quite stretched so you might get away with it. I believe that 155s are recommended minimum width for a 5" wheel so you will be stretching them a bit - though not in the comedy way! They might look a bit odd but if you put a wider tyre on them they will stick out a lot.

The backs shouldn't be a problem I don't think. I'm a bit worried that the low offset is going to wear the bearings out quickly but I'm prepared to wait and see on that score.

I checked a few online tyre calculators that seem to suggest thats its 155/70s on 5.5 j are ok. I got the image below using this site

http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.ph...2=13&wheelwidth2=5.5&offset2=25&Submit=Submit

It seems to suggest that while the reduced offset pushes the wheel further out of the wheelarch the wheels position relative to the suspension barely changes as the wider rim offsets the offset so to speak Would that then still effect camber and tyre wear

 

[Bougainvillea Rosso]

I suppose it would be cheeky to ask this nice person to part with just one of them



I checked a few online tyre calculators that seem to suggest thats its 155/70s on 5.5 j are ok. I got the image below using this site

http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.ph...2=13&wheelwidth2=5.5&offset2=25&Submit=Submit

It seems to suggest that while the reduced offset pushes the wheel further out of the wheelarch the wheels position relative to the suspension barely changes as the wider rim offsets the offset so to speak Would that then still effect camber and tyre wear

Good question. I don't know the answer; it's all a bit technical. It could be that the wider wheel creates less problems but looking at that diagram they are going to protrude a fair bit.

 

[Aston Martin]

Hmmm, I don't want it to look like a 4x4.

 

[pandamonius_maximus]

Been picking up Beta Montecarlo wheels from ebay as they are pretty cool and unfathomably cheap. The wheels are 4x98 bolt pattern 13" in diameter, 5.5" wide and have an offset of 25mm. The plan is to use the 155/70 that are already on the car. I did a search first and got only one direct mention here and its not clear if the guy ever fitted them

My only concern is the offset as the wheels will protrude more from the car than the standard wheels with their offset of 41. Do peeps reckon an offset of 25 is survivable with 155/70s on a 5.5j rim? At the back Y10s don't have a wheelarch lip in the same way a Panda does at the back so have included a foto that shows the relationship of wheel and wheelarch

Ta

PS does anybody have one of these wheels. I only have 3

These look sweeet! Didn't realise the Beta was fitted with 13's! If they don't fit a spacer will sort them out. Always worries me that bearings will wear out quicker though. Worth the risk sometimes though, and bearings for Pandas are cheap!

 

[firstcar-Y10]

Been picking up Beta Montecarlo wheels from ebay as they are pretty cool and unfathomably cheap.

.....
PS does anybody have one of these wheels. I only have 3

If you only have 3 surely that makes them quite fathomably cheap.

The low offset shouldn't make a difference to the camber unless you've got play in components that shouldn't. It might wear the bearings in theory, offset is all about how the load is applied to the bearing, correct offset will centralise the wheel on the bearing so there are no lateral loads unless cornering, the lower offset will move the centre of the load out of line with the bearing so it will be subject to a constant lateral load. In the real world though where corners are common and tolerances wide, 1cm out of line shouldn't be that noticeable.

 

[Bougainvillea Rosso]

These look sweeet! Didn't realise the Beta was fitted with 13's! If they don't fit a spacer will sort them out. Always worries me that bearings will wear out quicker though. Worth the risk sometimes though, and bearings for Pandas are cheap!

I thought that a spacer was required if the new wheel has a greater offset?

 

[pandamonius_maximus]

I thought that a spacer was required if the new wheel has a greater offset?

I am not sure of the direction. I know that I needed spacers on the front wheels when I fitted the 14" lancia beta alloys to the marbella because the calipers fowled the inside of the wheel without them (only just because they were fine with worn pads and I only found I needed them after fitting new pads ). I've got 6mm spacers on the front and that was enough it seems.

Don't know any more than this though sorry.

 

[VmanC]

Just to clarify and confirm few things that have been said.....

A low offset will put the wheel further out of the wheel arch, spacers will put it further still. Spacers are used when you have a wheel with a high offset and you want to move them further out to the edge of the wheel arch.

As was said, a wider wheel can offset the offset and therefore give little or no increase in lateral load on the bearing, at least when going straight, cornering is a different matter but 5.5j wheels aren't going to be much of a worry.

I agree with Andrw about the camber too, shouldn't be affected unless you have worn components. If you have fix these first before you go slapping some Carlos Fandango wheels on your pride and joy.

These Monte Carlo wheels may just stick out of the arches with 155 tyres but it will be a small amount that may be sorted by rolling the arches a little.

Nice wheels though.

 

[Giacosa]

These look sweeet! Didn't realise the Beta was fitted with 13's!

If you only have 3 surely that makes them quite fathomably cheap.

Yeah if I had a Bond bug i could stop now and save my pennies. As it is i'm in the muppet position of having an odd number of alloys

Having read a few Montecarlo/Scorpion forums it seems the first thing a lot of them do is go for a bigger uglier wheel which makes the bowtie alloys fairly plentiful and cheap.

 

[panda panda]

. If you have fix these first before you go slapping some Carlos Fandango wheels on your pride and joy.

These Monte Carlo wheels may just stick out of the arches with 155 tyres but it will be a small amount that may be sorted by rolling the arches a little.

Nice wheels though.

knew I'd heard that name somewhere before

suddenly I fancy a cigar