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You'll be surprised:O only cost me £140 which i thought was really good as most ones you see on ebay are about that price but probably not as good x
My punto mk2!!!
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Matthew said:
That's pretty decent. Mate of mine paid around that if memory serves for his Sebring backbox for his 106.
Paid £300 myself, but that was for a full system, cat-back. Nice enough system and looks good, but as said in the other thread, the guys bodged it - mounted on worn mounts (so now needs adapted after putting new non-perished mounts on) and they didn't seal it properly where it joins the manifold so need to sort that too somehow. Plus the flexi started leaking a bit, but they couldn't see anything wrong with it. Replaced it after a bit of arguing and told me not to come back - ace customer service *rolls eyes*
is 140 for the backbox only?
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Yeah 140 was only for the backbox, didnt see much point in getting a full system in my 8v punto lol x
Matthew said:
Could always turbo it
Matthew said:
nothing wrong with 8v's it's not the number it's what you do with them that counts
Mrcento said:nothing wrong with 8v's it's not the number it's what you do with them that counts
Am not quite sure about that, i think steve might disagree with that. Untill I Mot my 16v, i can't say the diff
.Ming
8vs are a good starting point .
And as you said to me James.
An 8v can beat a 16v if tuned propely.
An 8v can beat a 16v if tuned propely.
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What can be tuned on the 8v engine? coz its extreme lack of power is seriously pushing me towards the Vag 1.9tdi, acctually going to view an ibiza this saturday xx
YcMing said:Am not quite sure about that, i think steve might disagree with that. Untill I Mot my 16v, i can't say the diff
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steve would disagree and say white if i said black though :laugh:
stock v stock, 16v is far better. the 8v has more easily accesible and affordable ways of tuning though which can take it beyond a stock or very mildly modded 16v.
the 16v has more outright potential but it's harder to unlock, if it can be though, of course the 16v is a better engine, especially mid range
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So whats acctually possible to do with the 8v coz i actually love my car but its lack of power is acctuall disheartning and being the only reason i want rid of it? have an induction kit but it makes no real difference it just sounds good xx
from a 60bhp model,bigger throttle body, cam (punto 75), good proven induction, ecu chip (mccritch or similar), exhaust manifold etc can see it up to about 80bhp
it'll never be a rocketship but it's still a good gain
it'll never be a rocketship but it's still a good gain
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Mrcento said:
not true, i agree with whats right.... most the time
.8v vs 16v is a hard one. having owned a quite modified 8v the stock 16v is WAY quicker.
for a good example. jatkinsons 8v 1242 probably the most modded 1242 8v block on the site RR'd at 86bhp and 93ftlb (75 bottom end, uno inlett 40mm throttlebody, 866 cam, full janspeed system, 4-2-1 mani, chip ect ect) VS my STANDARD 1242 16v... in a drag race the cars wernt close.
i f**ked the start putting my a car length behind and in a very short 150m (max) distance i finished over a car length infront.
the powerbands on 16v make them a much much more usable motor.... modifying wise there are as many mods for a 16v as a 8v just not many people know about them yet. (stuff like 1.6 bravo injectors, tb and inletts of the larger 16v engines, exhausts are also interchangable on some lines.)
the *cheap* accesable 8v mods wont put you close to a 16v standard. you would need *expensive* cams to say the least.
16v standard is 86bhp and 98ftlb iirc, jatkinsons is 86bhp and 93ftlb although there just completely different motors the powerband on 16v being 4.5k-7k makes a massive difference as you spend most your time at higher revs when going quick. although the 8v ALWAYS has more lower torque once your up the revs in first, from then on your too high up the revs to have any advantage over the 16v....
before i got a 16v engine i would aruge to the end of the earth the 16v wasnt that much faster but unfortunatly in reality they genuinly are..... (a statement ill stand up to with any drag challange IE straighliners 24th sep in the next england meet im planning
)if you want to keep the 8v by all means do there brilliant engines and you can get good power from them and there are lots of parts about for them
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ofcourse though the 16v hydro lifters on its cams mean the limiter cannot be raised as you get overlap at 8k. and a 8v that revs to 9-11k would be quicker you have to spend LOADDDDS of money to get it there, and that money spent on a 16v id say would keep it in the same leauge... i definatly think there the next engines to become common as there just a better start and as things are figured out there actually are quite modable.
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Andi_F said:
can beat a standard 16v..... but the amount of money to get a car to the same level as james's still isnt enough. you need to put more on it too, like £300 + cams engine balancing ect ect ect. put the samemoney in a 16v and your still way ahead of the game.
think a 1.4 16v is 100hp standard (d4ns is running 120bhp on FF all standard parts just a remap) then put your £300 on a set of cams it push's 125bhp NO 8v in the world could keep up with that in the real world.... ie, not revving to 11k as thats pointless off a track
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not so sure, pretty sure an 8v turbo would
:laugh:n/a terms, clearly no. but it's daft comparing a 1.2 8v to a 1.4 16v anyway when the discussion is over valves not cc, if we're going to mess around with other engine sizes we'd be aswell just chucking a corvette zr1 engine into the mix for giggles :laugh:
16v is the way forward though just because of where the torque is, that said, i actually think the 8v is quite well suited to the cento because the power is lower down, it suits what these cars are good at
I think 16v is the way forward because is values for money for what you get and the work involved! Although the wiring at start is scary, but there is enough information out there. As said before to make a 1242 8v quicker than 1242 16v it wouldn't be easy and probably won't be easy to drive.
Even compares, I doubt you could build a turbo 8v for the similar money you would need for a 1.2 16v conversion. There is a reason why there is not many 8v turbo out there and many fail to finish.
I'd agrue that, i would prefer a well balanced cento with immense handling than one just got pure power! And which engine to go for, it depends on the purpose you use the car for!
Road - 16v
Track -16v
Auto-test - 8v .
Ming
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Even compares, I doubt you could build a turbo 8v for the similar money you would need for a 1.2 16v conversion. There is a reason why there is not many 8v turbo out there and many fail to finish.
I'd agrue that, i would prefer a well balanced cento with immense handling than one just got pure power! And which engine to go for, it depends on the purpose you use the car for!
Road - 16v
Track -16v
Auto-test - 8v
.Ming
Ming
I thought you were gonna take your Red Cinq on the track Ming.
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