Technical Most Power Possible From 80hp 1.2 16v Sporting Engine?

[DEMONKNIGHT]

Hi all,

What's the most possible power I can expect after Angel Tuning remap, enduction kit, exhaust with sports cat, etc,

Please list other mods which would etract more power I really love my car, the shape everything except the power, 80hp is just not enough.

I know I could get a HGT but I tried 7 before buing the Sporting and they were all shagged.

If I did find a good one, what's the most hp from the 1.8 I could expect?

ANDY

 

[DanGil]

Whats your budget? 8k for the novitec hgt blower/nitrous.

 

[custard]

power per mod is speculated mostly unless its backed up.eg angel tuning will iist bhp but things such as sports cats etc bhp gains depend on other mods as well.
also depends how much you want to spend

 

[DEMONKNIGHT]

Whats your budget? 8k for the novitec hgt blower/nitrous.

1K

 

[DEMONKNIGHT]

power per mod is speculated mostly unless its backed up.eg angel tuning will iist bhp but things such as sports cats etc bhp gains depend on other mods as well.
also depends how much you want to spend

What could I get for £1k

 

[dave]

remap, induction and exhaust http://www.gazzella.cc/cart.php?target=category&action=view&category_id=413&pageID=3

 

[DEMONKNIGHT]

remap, induction and exhaust http://www.gazzella.cc/cart.php?target=category&action=view&category_id=413&pageID=3

wow,
£688 for an exhaust and that will get me up to 100hp

 

[Oldschool]

wow,
£688 for an exhaust and that will get me up to 100hp

Sorry to disappoint you, but the exhaust won't give you 100bhp. It will be 1 - 2 bhp short of 90bhp.

 

[DEMONKNIGHT]

Sorry to disappoint you, but the exhaust won't give you 100bhp. It will be 1 - 2 bhp short of 90bhp.

I see, if I add a good induction kit and Angel tune it (they quote 8 hp gain)will that get me there?

 

[Oldschool]

I see, if I add a good induction kit and Angel tune it (they quote 8 hp gain)will that get me there?

Unfortunately it doesn't work this way. When we did the induction development for the 1242 16v, added the Supersprint induction, increased compression and did a more advanced map than the 'of the shelve' map from the Millenium system, we got a peak power of 94bhp. Admittedly the map isn't perfect yet because of the limitations of the Millenium mapping system but there is not much more peak power in than it is now. We reached 102lbf ft or 140Nm in peak torque, but the only way to break through the 100bhp barrier means improved airflow. The biggest restriction is the throttle body, which we are working on and then the ports. The cams need improvement as well for more power. But I wouldn't go to a race cam. You will be better of with a fast road cam.

 

[DEMONKNIGHT]

Unfortunately it doesn't work this way. When we did the induction development for the 1242 16v, added the Supersprint induction, increased compression and did a more advanced map than the 'of the shelve' map from the Millenium system, we got a peak power of 94bhp. Admittedly the map isn't perfect yet because of the limitations of the Millenium mapping system but there is not much more peak power in than it is now. We reached 102lbf ft or 140Nm in peak torque, but the only way to break through the 100bhp barrier means improved airflow. The biggest restriction is the throttle body, which we are working on and then the ports. The cams need improvement as well for more power. But I wouldn't go to a race cam. You will be better of with a fast road cam.

Okay, I thinK maybe me buying a HGT and running the same sort of mods will give me more power - your thoughts please.

 

[Oldschool]

Okay, I thing maybe me buying a HGT and running the same sort of mods will give me more power - your thoughts please.

The GSR induction will give you instantly as measured on the 1.8 Stilo (same engine) 9.8bhp more peak power and a consistent 7% more torque. With the full Supersprint system the increase will be in the region of 15+bhp depending on which cat configuration you have. Further improvement is possible with mapping, engine revisions etc.

The car I would go for is the 1368 FIRE. You have 95bhp to start with. Custom mapping, proper induction, Supersprint full exhaust system and improved throttle body will give you an increase of about 20bhp with a good torque increase. Porting, flowing and uprated fast road cams will give you quite some more power with the relevant map.

The reason why I would go for the 380cc smaller engine is the weight. The much lighter engine makes the car handle so much better and is a very torquey engine, which is much more fun to drive. The power to weight and torque to weight ratio bring the performance of the 2 engines quite a bit closer together.

 

[DEMONKNIGHT]

The GSR induction will give you instantly as measured on the 1.8 Stilo (same engine) 9.8bhp more peak power and a consistent 7% more torque. With the full Supersprint system the increase will be in the region of 15+bhp depending on which cat configuration you have. Further improvement is possible with mapping, engine revisions etc.

The car I would go for is the 1368 FIRE. You have 95bhp to start with. Custom mapping, proper induction, Supersprint full exhaust system and improved throttle body will give you an increase of about 20bhp with a good torque increase. Porting, flowing and uprated fast road cams will give you quite some more power with the relevant map.

The reason why I would go for the 380cc smaller engine is the weight. The much lighter engine makes the car handle so much better and is a very torquey engine, which is much more fun to drive. The power to weight and torque to weight ratio bring the performance of the 2 engines quite a bit closer together.[/QU

Interesting thoughts, shame I don't like the mk2b nose.

 

[Oldschool]

Interesting thoughts, shame I don't like the mk2b nose.

This can be sorted. There is some very good styling bits out there that make the car look very good. Alternatively the front can be converted to a Mk2 front. Or you get a 1.4 engine in your car.

 

[DEMONKNIGHT]

This can be sorted. There is some very good styling bits out there that make the car look very good. Alternatively the front can be converted to a Mk2 front. Or you get a 1.4 engine in your car.

Thanks, you have been a real help.

Do you work for Angel Tuning?

ANDY

 

[JamesMK2]

nope, he would be GSR...

 

[alfanige]

and did a more advanced map than the 'of the shelve' map from the Millenium system

Can I just clear up something often said by companies not owning Millenium equipment (not having a pop at you here Peter BTW).

The hardware is called Millenium - the mapping can be used from anywhere - it is not called a Millenium map nor is it "off the shelf". Angel Tuning do indeed have a few Millenium handsets for transfering mapping to the ECU on some cars, but the mapping is done in house using completely different (3d) software and is custom to the car and requirements as well as having developed some outstanding maps that we use "off the shelf" that have not been anywhere near AG Systems.

It is the expertise of the person doing the mapping, not the hardware. When you do over 100 cars per month you start to repeat the results using "off the shelf" mapping frequently.

 

[Oldschool]

Thanks to you Nigel I get my spelling right.

When relating to the Millenium 'off the shelf' map I mean a ready made map for the standard car. Many people do not undertsand what the map is about and that you neither can use the cars standard map nor a generic map on a highly modified car as the ECU allows only for a certain amount of variation.

Having worked with the Millenium software when it was first introduced to the UK I wasn't all that impressed by the capabilities. Some companies base their entyre sources on the Millenium know how. We have seen in practical terms that the software capabilities of the Millenium system offer a crucial flaw on the ignition side. This led me to look for alternatives.

That you can write to the ECU any file with the Millenium if you can read from it is clear. But the fact remains that the Millenium is not as advanced as the other software you use (I take it that you use the DS software and hardware) and the missing tool requires a better way of dealing with the ignition side as this is much more critical on the ignition sparked engines that the Diesels.

I do not deny that the Millenium system was ground braking when it appeared and has got its strengths, but it has evenly weaknesses, which do not aid a substantial part of my development.

 

[alfanige]

But the fact remains that the Millenium is not as advanced as the other software you use (I take it that you use the DS software and hardware).

No Peter, we do not use DS, however we have over £40,000 worth of alternative software / hardware and have developed in house as well as obtained external software / hardware. Millenium is still used, but only where it is the most appropriate to do so as a portal. However I do agree that the Millenium software is not advanced which is why we do not use it to develop our own mapping and have not done so for considerable time.

To perform the level of service we do to the type of clientel we operate to required us to invest substantially, which is now of course benefitting the private customer too.