Migrant crime rate soars.

[Shadeyman]

The number of foreigners arrested in Britain almost double in three years, police revealed yesterday.​

Their figures show that in 2010 more than 91,234 non-British nationals were arrested over crimes including murder, burglary and sexual offences.
Only 51,899 foreigners were detained in 2008 – signalling a shocking increase of 76 per cent over three years.​

Cambridgeshire Constabulary made 27 arrests of foreign nationals in 2006 and 4,803 in 2010 – a 17,689 per cent rise.​

Durham Constabulary suffered a 629 per cent rise from 65 in 2006 to 474 in 2010. Humberside Police recorded a 138 per cent increase, from 865 to 2,055.​

During the same period arrests by Kent Police increased 283 per cent from 1,075 to 4,119. Surrey Police saw a rise from 1,959 to 2,079 – up six per cent.
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts...ners-double-in-3-years-as-migrant-crime-soars​

Tightening up our borders would be a better way to save money than forcing the ill and diabled to work?
https://www.fiatforum.com/leisure-l...-incapacity-benefit-expected-return-work.html​

 

[hmallett]

You've put "migrant" in the title, but the article says "foreigners". They are not the same thing. (Someone on holiday in another country is a foreigner, but not a migrant).

The article makes incorrect assumptions, and deliberately ignores the caveats given in the FOI requests.
E.g. The FOI disclosure from Durham Constabulary (http://www.durham.police.uk/uploads/disclosure_log/foi 73-11.pdf) states:

This system was introduced to the force at the end of 2005 and
during its first years several data quality issues were identified, including that the Nationality field was often completed as “unknown” or “not applicable”. This issue has now been resolved hence increased accuracy in more recent years.

So those figures may include those who were not foreigners.

And:

The figures provided relate to the number of arrests made of non-British individuals and not the number of individuals themselves i.e. one person may have been arrested more than once.

So the number of people may be lower than the number of arrests, which is the number given.

Similarly, the disclosure from the Metropolitan Police (http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2011/march/2011020001434.pdf) states:

Data entered for nationality 'unknown' is included in these totals.

It also makes the important point that:

Being arrested does not necessarily indicate that the individual is accused of an offence.

 

[Shadeyman]

You've put "migrant" in the title, but the article says "foreigners". They are not the same thing. (Someone on holiday in another country is a foreigner, but not a migrant).

​

The title of the artical reads as follows ... ​

"ARRESTS OF FOREIGNERS DOUBLE IN 3 YEARS AS MIGRANT CRIME SOARS"​

So those figures may include those who were not foreigners.

So the number of people may be lower than the number of arrests, which is the number given.​

May??​

May be they're accurate?​

 

[hmallett]

​

The title of the artical reads as follows ... ​

"ARRESTS OF FOREIGNERS DOUBLE IN 3 YEARS AS MIGRANT CRIME SOARS"​

Yes it does! I have an inbuilt filter that blanks out the editorial part and skips to the "facts".

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May??​

May be they're accurate?​

That's not how statistics works!
They may be accurate, but you can only say that they are, if you know the data to be recorded accurately. As the provider of the data has specifically mentioned that there are inaccuracies, what do you think the chances of it being accurate are?
Similarly, because the same data recording mechanism wasn't used over the whole 2005-2010 period, comparisons between different dates aren't valid.
Don't get me wrong, I'm neither trying to say that foreigners don't commit crime, nor that migrants don't commit crime (migrants and foreigners are different, you know - shame the Express don't ). However, if you are trying to prove a point using statistics, you need to ensure that the statistics are collected and interpreted appropriately.

 

[Ffoxy]

Anyhow... surely as the borders of soft touch Britain leak so much, the more immigrants and or foreigners that are here, both legally & illegally, the more crime comitted by that group will rise... no surprise there.

Just as the more Brits go abroad, more crimes will be committed by them in the country of their choice...

 

[sledge]

Hang on a min folks.....this little snippet comes courtesy of the Daily Express. How anyone can even begin to question ANYTHING they publish beats me

What do you say Shadey?

 

[Shadeyman]

Yes it does! I have an inbuilt filter that blanks out the editorial part and skips to the "facts".

That's not how statistics works!
They may be accurate, but you can only say that they are, if you know the data to be recorded accurately. As the provider of the data has specifically mentioned that there are inaccuracies, what do you think the chances of it being accurate are?
Similarly, because the same data recording mechanism wasn't used over the whole 2005-2010 period, comparisons between different dates aren't valid.
Don't get me wrong, I'm neither trying to say that foreigners don't commit crime, nor that migrants don't commit crime (migrants and foreigners are different, you know - shame the Express don't ). However, if you are trying to prove a point using statistics, you need to ensure that the statistics are collected and interpreted appropriately.

Politicians and campaigners described the figures as “deeply worrying” and called for action to address the problem which is causing a huge strain on police forces’ finances.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view...-3-years-as-migrant-crime-soars#ixzz1IfeTvgYC

Perhaps you should inform the politicians and campaigners of the huge mistake thats been made and to stop worrying?

Anyhow... surely as the borders of soft touch Britain leak so much, the more immigrants and or foreigners that are here, both legally & illegally, the more crime comitted by that group will rise... no surprise there.

Just as the more Brits go abroad, more crimes will be committed by them in the country of their choice...

Oh, well thats ok then. We'll just ignore it and let them carry on raping, murdering etc.


The equivalent of 250 a day.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8426609/Concerns-over-foreign-crime-wave.html

 

[garlicbread22]

Hang on a min folks.....this little snippet comes courtesy of the Daily Express. How anyone can even begin to question ANYTHING they publish beats me

I was going to say, I wouldnt even trust them to get the date on the front page right.

 

[hmallett]

Politicians and campaigners described the figures as “deeply worrying” and called for action to address the problem which is causing a huge strain on police forces’ finances.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view...-3-years-as-migrant-crime-soars#ixzz1IfeTvgYC

Perhaps you should inform the politicians and campaigners of the huge mistake thats been made and to stop worrying?

Can you name a politician or campaigner who commented, let alone which said it's "deeply worrying". No, because none is identified in the article. So we are left with a 2-word anonymous quote. Quality journalism.

 

[claymore]

Hang on a min folks.....this little snippet comes courtesy of the Daily Express. How anyone can even begin to question ANYTHING they publish beats me

and people wonder why I hate to buy the bloody things.

 

[The Beard]

You also need to look at what categories of "foreigners" and "migrants" are committing the crimes and what the crimes are.

For instance, there are gangs of Latvian and Lithuanian thieves and shoplifters who move from country to country doing much of their thieving at airports. They check-in with only hand baggage which is largely empty and once through security start their shoplifting almost immediately. After they've got as much as they can they often secrete their loot in the ceiling voids in the toilets. The offence isn't complete until they leave the retail area, but the only way they can do that is to move back landside or get to the gate. This is usually where they are intercepted if spotted. As they've hidden the knock offs there is nothing for them to get arrested for. A second small group later retrieves them and takes another flight.

What is perhaps more important is how they pay for their tickets which are usually paid for using stolen credit and debit card detail over the internet. The purchase is made at the last possible moment and the crooks collect e-tickets when they check in.

For over 10 years we have had problems with "Kosovan" refugees. These people are usually Albanians posing as Kosovans. They are no less organised than the Latvians but often more ruthless as they are more akin to the Mafia.

Romanians are also another group who dabble in organised crime, but usually more petty than the other groups. They have moved from Italy and other countries around the Adriatic and Mediteranean to the UK. They often carry out pickpocketing and petty theft, but these crimes are often more personal as they involve crimes against the person.

Let's not forget the Jamaicans and Irish. Although not all Jamaicans are connected to the Yardies, they are often involved in drugs and armed robbery and can be viscous when it comes to dealing with rivals. Because we often think of the Irish as being part of the British "family" they do get involved in crimes such as theft of scrap metals, lead off roofs and cable, such as signalling equipment from the railways, not to mention from electrical sub-stations. These have resulted in the death by electrocution/incineration of the thieves, and recently the hospitalisation of two Cops in Lancashire who entered one of these premises and were elecrocuted. They were lucky to live through it.

There are also those who commit anti-social behaviour type crimes and motoring offences. Getting rid of the organised groups from the Baltic, Adriatic, West Indies and Ireland and you might stand a chance. You could then devote more effort to our own indigenous scumbags.

Simply deporting the professionals doesn't work as they just come back. There is one male I'm aware of who has been convicted of a crime, banged up for a couple of years, then deported. 12 months later he was picked up again, but because he'd committed an Immigration offence was just deported. A few months later he was arrested at Amsterdam airport using a stolen Italian passport to fly to Dublin. Any idea where he'd have gone from there? I think you can probably work that one out on your own.

 

[Shadeyman]

Can you name a politician or campaigner who commented, let alone which said it's "deeply worrying". No, because none is identified in the article. So we are left with a 2-word anonymous quote. Quality journalism.

Maybe you should read them before posting?

Hugh Robertson, Conservative MP for Faversham and Mid Kent, said: “These figures are deeply concerning for anybody who lives in Kent and place a very unwelcome extra burden on our police forces.”
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"deeply concerning", close enough for you?


Also in Telegraph, did you miss this part of my last post?

The equivalent of 250 a day.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8426609/Concerns-over-foreign-crime-wave.html

It contains this.

Hugh Robertson, Conservative MP for Mid Kent said: "These figures are deeply concerning for anybody who lives in Kent and place a very unwelcome extra burden on our police forces.”

"deeply concerning", close enough?

and this.

Cllr Geoffrey Heathcock, a former JP in Cambridge, added: "The volume of violent crime linked to foreign nationals is deeply troubling and is another factor in the whole story of why the county, with a growing population pressure, needs a significantly better deal from the Government."

"deeply troubling", close enough?

They named only a few but there were others.