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can you get new (blue) keys cut at FIAT?
anyone know how much?

i only have the one blue key and its came off the key ring many a time. thank god for superglue.
also its slighlty (very) bent.

cheers!
 
As long as you have the red key yes but they will charge a fortune - go to your local timpson they'll do you a copy and copy the chip for a lot less than fiat
 
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cheers Sy, but do you get the 'lovely' blue grips at timpson??
 
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I got mine done at aplace in Dukinfield near Ashton under Lyne.

£23

Didn't need the red key

It has a blue grip but not as nice as the Fiat one.

Martin L.
 
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I must say I have only one blue and one red key only...
my key is in the same condition you describe, bent, falling appart, and it has been superglued...Recently my car wouldnt start at all, been to all kind of diagnostics and they cant find anything wrong with it... HMMM!!! Decided to drive then around with my red key and wow what a difference!! The key turns on smoothly and car starts better than ever no problems at all!! What a difference a key makes!! Went today to Fiat and ordered 2 blue keys... they are expensive, around 80 pounds including reprogramming the ECU to recognize them... I dont think I can get them made out of Fiat, not around here anyways...and is there a chip inside or just a magnet or what???
 
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If you get your key cut from your red key at fiat I can't see any reason why you would need to re-programme them to your ECU. The key cutting machine should copy the info from the chip straight on to your new keys chip.

One of the guys at my local fiat dealers actually told me about the other shop,said it was th only one he knew of that did this kind of cutting, top bloke saved me £££.


Are they standard keys or remote cetral locking keys?

Martin L.
 
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Hmmm

really dont know...is the blue key
They copied the mechanical code from the key code card, and then they order it with that info...then when the key arrives the should put it in the ignition and program the Electronic code from the card into the ECU...thats what they told me...takes 2 mins they said hehe
 
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OK, hmmm but shouldnt the key have some sort of magnet or chip inside the blue cover????
 
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Obviously I've never had a key cut at fiat but sound like along way to go about it.

When I got mine done the guy asked me the make, model and year of my car, plugged my original blue key into the machine, 2mins later a nice new key £23 and works perfect, as I said before the only difference is the grip.

Martin L.
 
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It's a while since keys have come up, here goes... :)

With the car you get a red (brown) key and two blue ones. The blue ones have a chip in them each with a unique ID. The immobiliser will only start the engine if you use a key with an ID it recognises - one that's on it's list.

The red key is the master key for the immobiliser, the chip in it is matched to the chip in the immobiliser which is part of the ECU. The red key is used to reset and re-program the list of blue keys the immobiliser will recognise.

There are two ways to get a new blue key...
1) Get an existing blue key copied at a normal key-cutters. They will duplicate the key you give them, including it's ID so effectively the immobiliser will think they are the same key.
2) Get a new blue key from Fiat, this is a lot more expensive but the new key will have it's own unique ID. Because of this the red key is needed to add the new key to the immobiliser's list of accepted keys.

The advantage of getting an official (Fiat) key is if you ever lose one. As all the keys have different ID's the ECU (immobiliser) can be re-programed to accept only the keys you still have. Therefore the key you lost will still open the doors but won't start the engine any more.

Depend's on your views about security as to which you get. It's a good design by Fiat, but they didn't stress enough to people how important the red key is and they didn't keep a list (good security move in some ways).

Hope this helps
:)
 
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Oh, and some people say you shouldn't use the Red key as an actual key so to speak. Every time you put the red key in you are resetting the immobiliser's list of accepted keys.
 
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It all makes sense now thanks!

Still think the price from fiat is **** take though.


Martin L.
 
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By the way is this the only job the red key does or has it got other functions involving the ECU etc.

Cheers Martin L.
 
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I have heard also I should not drive around with the red key...but unfortunately i must do this for now or else my car will not start in several occasions, since the blue key (and I only got 1 when i bought my car) is in so bad shape and all worn out, that it sometimes gives a very bad signal to the ECU and thus the car wont start...Also since the key is a bit bent, the simple turn of the key to start the car is a very hard procedure...So I guess wont hurt me driving with the red for a week...
 
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If you want a blue key just like the original Fiat one then i suggest you buy the key from fiat and reprogram the blue key yourself using the red key. You dont need fiat to program it for you, i have the owners manual and it can be done using the red key.

Joske
 

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