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Technical  Is this salvageable?

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My daughter had a crash during the week, I’ve been advised by mechanic that the leg on the left side has broke. This car has a lot of sentimental value to me as it was my late aunts. Does anyone have any advice or suggestions on if there’s any chance of saving it?
 
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500 lounge
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2015
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26000

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Cat S. This means structural damage but still repairable. I would repair my own car but I wouldnt buy one unless I had full before during and after repair photos. Cat N is repairable non structural and I would buy one if the right car presented. If the repair is done well it will be OK but my experience is after repairs on cars rust tends to appear faster, so the price needs to reflect this. If you are keeping the car until its worn out it make sno difference. I would say that I fully undertsand the sentimental thing, but its economically unwise to allow sentiment to rule your decisions. Further down the road it may be something you regret I feel.
I agree in the long term cars involved in a fairly serious accident that have been repaired often show signs of rust at spot welds some distance from the original repair as the strain of impact has opened the joints a little and the rust gets in. At the end of the day it is the owners choice and as has been mentioned, many cars have been involved in accidents that the current owner is unaware of and have no issues for the full time of ownership.
I recall many years ago an old boss of mine bought a nearly brand new Ford Orion with less than a 100 delivery miles on the clock from a Ford Trade Auction site, it turned out that it had genuinely fallen off the transporter and had been re body shelled.:)
 
I agree in the long term cars involved in a fairly serious accident that have been repaired often show signs of rust at spot welds some distance from the original repair as the strain of impact has opened the joints a little and the rust gets in. At the end of the day it is the owners choice and as has been mentioned, many cars have been involved in accidents that the current owner is unaware of and have no issues for the full time of ownership.
I recall many years ago an old boss of mine bought a nearly brand new Ford Orion with less than a 100 delivery miles on the clock from a Ford Trade Auction site, it turned out that it had genuinely fallen off the transporter and had been re body shelled.:)
My brother bought a nearly (brand new) 3 month old Ford escort in 1995 which was "pristine" and to all intents and purposes "brand new" that car was a dog and he had no end of problems with it. Turned out much later down the road when the gearbox lunched itself that it had been involved in quite a heavy impact in its first few months on the road. Never recorded, but the damage done had a knock on effect on other components such as the engine, suspension and then ultimately the gearbox. It had been repaired extremely well but it was the internal damage to the complex mechanical components that kept cropping up.
 
My brother bought a nearly (brand new) 3 month old Ford escort in 1995 which was "pristine" and to all intents and purposes "brand new" that car was a dog and he had no end of problems with it. Turned out much later down the road when the gearbox lunched itself that it had been involved in quite a heavy impact in its first few months on the road. Never recorded, but the damage done had a knock on effect on other components such as the engine, suspension and then ultimately the gearbox. It had been repaired extremely well but it was the internal damage to the complex mechanical components that kept cropping up.
Something I have seen frequently down at the local harbour, rich guys in brand new Range Rovers , the tide is out so they go almost to the mouth of the harbour where the soft sand is to launch their new speed boat, once the boat is floating they then go to park the vehicle only to find it is up to it's axles in soft sand, so being sh*t for brains they apply full throttle, lots of sand and sea water spraying everywhere but no movement. If lucky one of their pals turns up with another 4x4 and a few more brain cells and a long rope so he stays out of the soft sand, much engine screaming and Range Rover is extracted, car is pressure washed off and later some poor sod buys it nearly new as his forever car, to love and to cherish, only it rots out early from all the salt water, plus a good chance the salt water and sand has also got into the running gear and swears never to buy another Range Rover.:(
 
Something I have seen frequently down at the local harbour, rich guys in brand new Range Rovers , the tide is out so they go almost to the mouth of the harbour where the soft sand is to launch their new speed boat, once the boat is floating they then go to park the vehicle only to find it is up to it's axles in soft sand, so being sh*t for brains they apply full throttle, lots of sand and sea water spraying everywhere but no movement. If lucky one of their pals turns up with another 4x4 and a few more brain cells and a long rope so he stays out of the soft sand, much engine screaming and Range Rover is extracted, car is pressure washed off and later some poor sod buys it nearly new as his forever car, to love and to cherish, only it rots out early from all the salt water, plus a good chance the salt water and sand has also got into the running gear and swears never to buy another Range Rover.:(
My Range Rover (1986) was previously owned by a boat builder on the norfolk broads. When ever you shut (you know those old cars shutting the door required specific slamming to get the latch to work) the door about a ton of mud would fall from somewhere under the car. this never stopped the whole time I had it. Every crevis of the car must have been packed with pete from the norfolk broads.

Secondly it had special sills that let the water out if you ever drove into deep water. That is to say there was no metal on either top or bottom portion of the sills either side from front to back.

That being said that was a range rover from the time when you could if you want to wash the interior out with a pressure washer as there was no electrical connections or wires to worry about in the floor pan. Everything was raised up so you could pretty much drive it into water as deep as the dash without issue and assuming you fitted some breather tube extensions so as not to fill the gearbox and transfer box up with water the second you hit the cold water
 
Cat S. This means structural damage but still repairable. I would repair my own car but I wouldnt buy one unless I had full before during and after repair photos. Cat N is repairable non structural and I would buy one if the right car presented. If the repair is done well it will be OK but my experience is after repairs on cars rust tends to appear faster, so the price needs to reflect this. If you are keeping the car until its worn out it make sno difference. I would say that I fully undertsand the sentimental thing, but its economically unwise to allow sentiment to rule your decisions. Further down the road it may be something you regret I feel.
I don't get it. Why would rust appear faster on a categorised car?
 
I don't get it. Why would rust appear faster on a categorised car?
I think any distrortion and straightening has a subtle effect. I ve seen a few repaired cars in the family look sad after a few years it was aparent which bits had been repaired. Any welding really changes long term in my opinion I had a car axfew years back mullered in a shop car park. It was repaired by a top local place but two years later where the rear quarter had been repaired, no cutti g or welding, it stated rusting to the extent I pxd it before value was affected.
 
That being said that was a range rover from the time when you could if you want to wash the interior out with a pressure washer as there was no electrical connections or wires to worry about in the floor pan. Everything was raised up so you could pretty much drive it into water as deep as the dash without issue and assuming you fitted some breather tube extensions so as not to fill the gearbox and transfer box up with water the second you hit the cold water

It's a bit different these days, the transmission tunnel and floor pan in a modern RR

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I don't get it. Why would rust appear faster on a categorised car?
If you read what I said, after an accident spot welds/joints, etc. outside the obvious accident damage that is repaired, are strained this results in rust getting in via fine paint cracks in the original factory body protection.
I am not talking about weeks, more like a year or two down the line and is something I have seen after over fifty years in the Motor Trade.
No matter how perfect a repair, the protection the vehicle leaves the factory all dipped and painted on new metal is bound to be disturbed by repairs several years down the line when the paint and other protection has got hard and brittle. Something simple like the clamp marks from a jig used to straighten a chassis, even if well painted afterwards. Things like that I have seen on Dealership forecourts when inspecting cars for customers interested in buying.
You obviously do your work to a high standard and are justifiably proud of it, but can you honestly say the care you put in is the same at every body shop?
 
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If you read what I said, after an accident spot welds/joins, etc. outside the obvious accident damage that is repaired, are strained this results in rust getting in via fine paint cracks in the original factory body protection.
And I've seen this happen on repaired secondhand cars many times.

Even just incorrectly lifting a 500/Panda on the sills can put hairline cracks in the factory applied protection, and we've seen cases of premature sill corrosion around areas where there is evidence of jacking damage.

A medium to high energy impact can shock load just about everything on the car; it's not possible to say what impact (pun intended) this might have on its long term reliability. It's not just corrosion; sudden stress on soldered connections in electronic components can cause them to fail prematurely too.

Personally I would always walk away from a car which shows any sign of having been involved in a significant accident in the past; the risk simply can't be quantified and I prefer to play safe.
 
Personally I would always walk away from a car which shows any sign of having been involved in a significant accident in the past; the risk simply can't be quantified and I prefer to play safe.
All depends on the price Sir….but again that’s just me 😂
 
All depends on the price Sir
Personally I'd rather overpay for a good car, than underpay for a bad one.

Sometimes the cheapest one to buy works out the most expensive in the end.

This forum is littered with posts from folks who've bought cheap used cars, and are now spending a lot of money and time trying to get them to work properly.

And we're starting to see posts from folks reporting that insurers now want unrealistic sums of money to retain written off vehicles, some even asking for more than the car will be worth once repaired.
 
Personally I'd rather overpay for a good car, than underpay for a bad one.

Sometimes the cheapest one to buy works out the most expensive in the end.

This forum is littered with posts from folks who've bought cheap used cars, and are now spending a lot of money and time trying to get them to work properly.

And we're seeing more posts from folks reporting that insurers now want unrealistic sums of money to retain written off vehicles, some even asking for more than the car will be worth once repaired.
Yep can’t really argue with any of that 👍
 
"Felicity Fiat" who is/was the purple Panda in my avatar picture was one of a couple of cars I've bought back from insurance companies over the years. She was my youngest boy's first car which he learned to drive in and then promptly went out and crashed once he had his full licence! It did a lot of damage to the N/S/F quarter and I honed my panel skills reclaiming the wing - which had been pushed in so that the front wheel was totally exposed (like an F1 car). I thought I'd carefully examined and costed everything but by the time I'd finished I'd spent about half as much again as originally estimated. We loved the car dearly though and went on to own it for more than 20 years! The battle against rust was an ongoing yearly one which eventually got away from me - Mind you, these old Pandas didn't need the excuse of having been damaged to rust anyway!

I'm not keen on accident repaired vehicles no matter how well done and even more so with late models where obscure electrical problems often manifest themselves a wee bit later on due to the accident.

Edit. Oh, and by the way, NEVER EVER buy a vehicle which has been flooded. In fact don't buy a used vehicle after a period of heavy flooding - give it maybe 6 months or so for them to clear though the system.
 
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"Felicity Fiat" who is/was the purple Panda in my avatar picture was one of a couple of cars I've bought back from insurance companies over the years. She was my youngest boy's first car which he learned to drive in and then promptly went out and crashed once he had his full licence! It did a lot of damage to the N/S/F quarter and I honed my panel skills reclaiming the wing - which had been pushed in so that the front wheel was totally exposed (like an F1 car). I thought I'd carefully examined and costed everything but by the time I'd finished I'd spent about half as much again as originally estimated. We loved the car dearly though and went on to own it for more than 20 years! The battle against rust was an ongoing yearly one which eventually got away from me - Mind you, these old Pandas didn't need the excuse of having been damaged to rust anyway!

I'm not keen on accident repaired vehicles no matter how well done and even more so with late models where obscure electrical problems often manifest themselves a wee bit later on due to the accident.
I have a job remembering the names of my children and grand children, so no way would I find names for the well over 200 cars, commercials and motorbikes I have had over the years.;)
 
I have a job remembering the names of my children and grand children, so no way would I find names for the well over 200 cars, commercials and motorbikes I have had over the years.;)
I tend to only name the cars I really bond with, but I don't remember them all unless something happens to trigger my brain.
 
I've bought various old cars over the years that have been through emotional incidents of varying intensity. I keep most of them till they die, then resurrect them and keep them going for longer.

My old Alfa 155 was a bit of a warhorse in that respect.. it had been involved in various emotional moments, judging by the variable paint quality.. but the main PITA was that whoever had fixed it had not bothered to re-fit various clips, plugs, grommets and whatever else. That old beast reached 212,000 miles in the end, so I worked on most parts of it... slowly re-routing cables, replacing all the missing pieces; I bought so much stuff that the local dealer's computer assumed I was a trader and automatically started giving me a discount.. 😅

It didn't have any structural issues (the sills vs the lifting factory shutz ans rust around the rear arches and boot floor... are common 155 issues) but it still took a very long time to get it all sorted.


Ralf S.
 
I've bought various old cars over the years that have been through emotional incidents of varying intensity. I keep most of them till they die, then resurrect them and keep them going for longer.

My old Alfa 155 was a bit of a warhorse in that respect.. it had been involved in various emotional moments, judging by the variable paint quality.. but the main PITA was that whoever had fixed it had not bothered to re-fit various clips, plugs, grommets and whatever else. That old beast reached 212,000 miles in the end, so I worked on most parts of it... slowly re-routing cables, replacing all the missing pieces; I bought so much stuff that the local dealer's computer assumed I was a trader and automatically started giving me a discount.. 😅

It didn't have any structural issues (the sills vs the lifting factory shutz ans rust around the rear arches and boot floor... are common 155 issues) but it still took a very long time to get it all sorted.


Ralf S.
I buy my vehicles cheap as all I can afford, do them up and use for as long as possible, but unfortunately sell them before the start to go up in value.:(
 
I've bought various old cars over the years that have been through emotional incidents of varying intensity. I keep most of them till they die, then resurrect them and keep them going for longer.

My old Alfa 155 was a bit of a warhorse in that respect.. it had been involved in various emotional moments, judging by the variable paint quality.. but the main PITA was that whoever had fixed it had not bothered to re-fit various clips, plugs, grommets and whatever else. That old beast reached 212,000 miles in the end, so I worked on most parts of it... slowly re-routing cables, replacing all the missing pieces; I bought so much stuff that the local dealer's computer assumed I was a trader and automatically started giving me a discount.. 😅

It didn't have any structural issues (the sills vs the lifting factory shutz ans rust around the rear arches and boot floor... are common 155 issues) but it still took a very long time to get it all sorted.


Ralf S.
Me too, dads old Accord 20 years old and 200k+ miles only died due to a critical part no longer available anywhere, my old Mazda everything worked but rust killed it, mot mans jack just went through "the car"
 
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