Technical Heater Matrix Punto Mrk.1 75 ELX

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Technical Heater Matrix Punto Mrk.1 75 ELX

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The heater matrix on my car has started to leak; I noticed a few drips from the centre console vents back in January, now its leaking with a bit more vigour. Seeing the scare stories on here to repair this properly, owing to it being buried behind the dash, does anyone have advice on bypassing the matrix. How easy was it to do? What pipe did you use? Do you have a picture?
 
Dont be scared taking the dashboard out as its an easy dash to remove. Best to do the job right however if you want to freeze or have windscreen mist up then best to join the pipes together before they come through the bulkhead in the engine bay.
 
easy enough to by-pass; just pull of flexible hoses where they connect to heater pipes behind engine; insert short lengths of 15mm copper pipe into each one and connect a loop of flexible hose to those; you will then be ok until the winter.......
 
I have now bypassed the matrix, a piece of 16mm diameter steel pipe from B&Q, cut to 75mm long, which was used to join both the pipes. I had to move them out of the way to stop the pipe getting folded internally, and tied it so it doesn't interfere with the gear shift rod.

I guess I will have to come up with a long term solution; I don't want to realise that what I really needed to do was fit a new matrix when winter comes along and it not being nice enough at that time of year to work on. This is as like many of us, my workshop is outdoors!
 
Well finally, I bit the bullet and replaced the matrix, a few days of better weather helped the situation.

It is a horrible job, it took me around 1 1/2 days. If anyone needs help to do this in the future I've detailed a few points below. My car is mark 1 Punto 75 ELX, with the centre console.
1. Remove centre console + handbrake plastic surround casing. Remove radio, remove oddments tray.
2. Remove all the centre vents & controls. (Remember to first to remove the singular hidden screw behind the fan speed knob!).
3. Disconnect battery negative. Disconnect fan motor & resistor pack connector and remove both. Separate the circular fan housing from fresh air inlet (5 or 6 small screws).
4. Remove drivers seat (I removed passengers as well). Remove steering wheel cowling. Undo the four nuts that hold the steering wheel assembly to bulkhead. Lay steering wheel in the driver side foot well. (This way there is no need to loosen or adjust any steering components). Adhere to safety precautions if an air bag is fitted. (Mine does not have this feature).
Once the steering wheel has been dropped down, remove the two screws, the ends of which you can now see, they really are quite difficult to access and you will need a suitable length screwdriver for this.
5. Remove and unplug speedo.
6. Remove three screws along the top of the dash (on my car have to remove the speaker covers first, to get to this). There are a further two similar screws at the bottom left and right ends of the dash, and a further two at the centre bottom. Making a total of seven of these types of screws used.
7. Open the glove box and remove one of the two big bolts (which is located in a hole through the back of the compartment). The other big bolt on the other side, is accessed by removing the main fuse box cover (the hinges for this can be slide back and it can be removed completely), the bolt is on the top right. Remove the other bolt and spacer at the bottom of the fuse box.
8. Open bonnet, locate and remove two M6 nuts, one holds the circular fan housing to the bulkhead, the other is the all important single fixing to the bulkhead of the ventilation system. This is to the top left of the matrix pipes, viewed from the front of the car. Disconnect the two water pipes in this area to the matrix, if you haven't done this already. Picture showing the 'front' of the ventilation system, for reference of nut location.
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9. You should now be able to ease the dash out, hinging from the drivers side/ fuse box area, as you don't want to disturb too much here if it can be helped. I didn't remove the dash from the car, but moved the passenger side back about 12-18" inches for access to the vent. system.
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My car has the secondary fuse box for the sunroof, electric mirrors etc in the glove box, I cut some of the cable ties, removed the two screws at either end, and pushed the fuse box back through the dash, but didn't altogether remove, to allow for better access.
10. Undo the fan housing to vent. system ducting by undoing the screws on the fan mount end. Leave the ducting attached to the vent. system.
11. Remove the two M6 nuts at either side of the top of the vent. system. (Its worth noting that the two halves of the vent system cannot be separated when fixed in the car, because of the two studs on the bulkhead). Disconnect the two connectors at the top left here.
11. For cars with a centre console, remove the screw that holds the lower ducting to the floor of the car. Unclip the duct from the vent. system.
12. At this point I had unbelievable trouble, as you can imagine with the car in this many pieces, and with this last piece to remove, the vent. system, is the only thing left, but it would not budge, I looked for for further screws but they where none. What had happened with may car is that that the vent system had become bonded to the heat/sound proof material on the inside of the bulk head. This material had become sticky. Only thing to do was to lever it with a large flat screw driver around the edges (minding the windscreen), although a crow bar may help if you go gently - I didn't have one. Finally, I freed it from the bulkhead. Hooray!
13. Undo the fresh air/re-circ control cable (mark the outer where the clip is positioned) and the two electrical connectors from the vent. controls. See how the vent control panel can stay connected via a piece of spring metal to the vent. system. (See pic below showing this).
14. It is now free from the rest of the car. The picture above shows it being recovered to the house. Once at this point it is simple enough to remove the heater matrix, just two small screws hold it to the vent system. This picture shows why its best to keep the ducting on the left hand side of the vent. system, although here I have already removed it, there are some difficult screws to access at the top of the dash area.
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15. I chiselled some of the heat/sound deadening material off around the matrix area with a craft knife, so it would sit reasonably flush.
16. In true Haynes Manual instructions style; refitting is the reversal of removing. When the vent. system was back in the car I checked the vent. controls for correct operation at all the settings, and when the dash was back in, but the speedo was yet to be fitted, I found I could adjust the white control wire for the knob that directs the air, from the aperture left for the speedo by unclipping and re-positioning the fixing of the outer cable.
17. Luckily everything went back reasonably easily, I refitted the pipes, on the first test drive I found the injection light to be on, and the car running lumpily - I had forgotten to replace the three wire connector on the throttle body - when this was replaced all was okay and with the pipes refitted I now have hot air as well as a dry interior.
All I can say is never want to do this again!
 
good effort (y)

just ordered a new heater matrix for mine been putting it off for a long time,
not looking forward to it either
 
Yes, I was putting mine off also, but had some welding done to rear floor area, so most of the interior was out of the car already, and as I had bought a new heater matrix months ago, it seemed like the best time to do this work.

I put this post up here because I while I was trying to figure how the vent. system was attached to the bulkhead, I Googled for pictures of the removed dash on the Punto, and found that there was not many out there, (There is a picture/post from The Sultan on here though), so hopefully this will help anyone else carrying this out in the future.
My car was particularly difficult because it has the centre console, an after market alarm immobiliser and two power amplifiers and additional tweeters, with all the extra wires that entails!

Lampy, if you get stuck while doing this, please reply to this post and I will endeavour to help!
 
hopefully will be ok Phil, might have to take inlet manifold off engine to undo the nuts to release the matrix as i got a gt but apart from that should be the same as yours.

plus this will be a good excuse to put my new OE leather interior in :D
 
Cheers for that guide.

I'm looking to replace mine in a month or 2... It isn't leaking into the footwell but I get instant misting of windows and steam out of the vents when I first put the blower on hot. Also when on hot, the cabin stinks of coolant :(

Sounds like the matrix to me. £45 for the part so not an expensive job, but a biggun!
 
Thought I would jump this thread with my experiences of changing the heater matrix.

Took me around 6 hours of work over 2 days. The majority of that time was actually getting to the heater matrix. Once swapped, it all went back together in about an hour.

I decided to follow the Haynes manual procedure along with my gut instinct. Haynes was both useful and totally confusing at the same time. I often had to hunt for hidden bolts which Haynes made no mention of. Haynes also said you need to remove the steering wheel. You don't. No need to at all.

I also decided to remove the dash totally out of the car rather than just bringing it forward a bit. Without removing the dash, the job would have been a nightmare. I found the the leaking coolant had acted as a glue with the sound deadening, fusing the heater assembly into the car. It required a lot of leverage to prise it off of the bulkhead.

Once out, swapping the matrix is simple. The assembly then drops back into place and getting the dash back in is straight forward enough. The wiring looks daunting but each connector will only fit it's specific hole so can't go wrong really.

I've attached a few piccies. I didn't document it or anything but it's not every day you see a car with its dash ripped out!
 

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Great job there Chris! Looks like it took you about the same amount of time to do this. I can say it's nice once it's finished.

To add to previous posts by Dave and Lampy, I didn't remove the dash partly because I didn't have anywhere dry to store it, but mainly because my car has a alarm fitted which makes an additional rats nest of wires around the main fuse box area and the passenger seat was already out due to having some welding done on the rear floor.
 
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