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General Haynes Manual for 500 & Panda in the shops April 2012
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General Haynes Manual for 500 & Panda in the shops April 2012
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Does it cover the 1.4?
Doesn't look like it, nor does it cover the TA.
This picture
is hardly going to help maintain current price differentials between used 500's and Pandas.
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To answer the question of where for £12.69 .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-500-Fiat-Panda-Petrol-Diesel-04-12-53-61-NEW-HAYNES-MANUAL-5558-/390408833312?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item5ae62e0920
But they have now added P&P , 2 weeks ago it was free P&P
Arrived ASAP
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-500-Fiat-Panda-Petrol-Diesel-04-12-53-61-NEW-HAYNES-MANUAL-5558-/390408833312?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item5ae62e0920
But they have now added P&P , 2 weeks ago it was free P&P
Arrived ASAP
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Clearly you were very lucky to get it for that price. Cheapest I can find it for on ebay is £14.69 delivered. Haynes Online, £21.99!!
I'm going to check out my local 'H' store today because I have a voucher from Christmas to use, so if they have one in, I might as well buy it.
I've just 'phoned my local 'H' store and they tell me they don't have any as yet. They also tell me they are supplied by Haynes Online direct, so I'm assuming they will be priced exactly the same when they do get them.
The world famous auction site it is then. A £7.30 saving is worth a few days wait.
The world famous auction site it is then. A £7.30 saving is worth a few days wait.
I know what you mean and completely agree... The Haynes 1973 FIAT 128 manual, for example, was absolute gold and many nuggets of information (gleaned while reading during wet weekends on summer holiday when I was 9 years old) still stand by me today.
"On an old car used much in the wet, it is regretted that a good swift kick or judicious blow is needed next. If the earth contact is poor, this may strike a contact and restore correct operation. If so, then strip the component and de-rust it."
Even just the cover picture - a Terry Davey (?) cutaway - was enough study for an hour or so, a far cry from today's digitally-retouched photo.
The funny thing was that it was written in 1973, for a car made in 1970, and I was reading it in 1989, so for the authors it was very much a case of guessing what might happen in the future. Sometimes they got it a little wrong - rings, bearing shells, and valve springs seemed to last much longer than they thought. My Dad and I rebuilt a 128 engine together and swapped it in, by which time the odometer was on its third trip around - yet the engine we took out was still within the quoted wear limits! I was using Plastigage to check the bearing clearances - would you bother today?
Sometimes a small misinterpretation did cause me embarrassment later - for example "An 'oil seal' is fitted to components lubricated by grease!". It turned out that components lubricated by oil had oil seals too. Who knew?
However, time has moved on. The reason there is no longer detailed information about stripping and rebuilding the gearbox is fairly clear when you realise that at three years old, our 128 had ingested all the tripode needle rollers from one driveshaft, and the first gear synchro had been faulty from the start. I daresay the cost of a gearbox was greater than it is today (allowing for inflation) with few cars being scrapped, and thus it got fixed, at home.
It just isn't the same now, thank goodness - we would expect a lot more than five years and by that time, good second-hand gearboxes will be available (and new parts for a rebuild may be scarce).
Meanwhile I would love to see Haynes manuals describe the process of a proxi-alignment, or how to test an airflow meter
It would be nice to see a summary of various diagnostic equipment and how to calibrate a Dualogic clutch, for example, as that IS the sort of thing we will need to do at home soon...
Their bodywork repair section has certainly advanced from a time when chapter 12 recommended brush painting rather than spray painting.
Remember when the wiring diagram for the whole car fitted on one page? I expect for even a relatively simple car like the 500, the diagrams will now run to 40 pages. Bring it on...
-Alex
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Meanwhile I would love to see Haynes manuals describe the process of a proxi-alignment, or how to test an airflow meter
Let me hazard a guess...
"...if proxy algnment is required, take the car to a FIAT franchised dealer for this work to be carried out..."
and
"...testing the airflow meter requires tools and equipment not normally available to the home mechanic; this work should be entrusted to a FIAT franchised dealer..."
Haynes manuals are perhaps much easier to write that in the old days
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Let me hazard a guess...
"...if proxy algnment is required, take the car to a FIAT franchised dealer for this work to be carried out..."
and
"...testing the airflow meter requires tools and equipment not normally available to the home mechanic; this work should be entrusted to a FIAT franchised dealer..."
Haynes manuals are perhaps much easier to write that in the old days
You are so right... That sounds wordperfect correct to me - though I'm sure you'll agree that such information would be relevant, interesting, and useful - since replacing an airflow meter seems to have become the equivalent of trying a new needle/spring in the SU carb...
I'm actually laughing out loud at the thought of the franchised dealer being able to test the airflow meter - I can't imagine a lab with men in white coats? - why would they care - the parts counter staff probably go on three-day courses just to understand the new parts procurement system. I don't mean to offend anyone - it really does seem like the most complex and expensive process imaginable to actually price/order the parts (in NZ at least) and it takes weeks, of course. It's no wonder there's no time to actually repair anything.
Besides, 'not normally available' (so familiar!) makes me bloody frustrated - I'm sure I'm not the only one with a multimeter, oscilloscope, and 5v power supply kicking around, and we can all download FIATECUSCAN, register it, and buy an ELM327 interface for less than the cost of a tank of fuel.
Back in the 70s, having an electric drill and a socket set was a luxury - that didn't stop people rebuilding cylinder heads at home.
-Alex
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As a student I worked for a local farmer who had trained in his youth as a mechanical engineer (and was a pain in the ass to work for as a farmer as a result, I can tell you - fussy old git).
Anyway, he told me that he was ordering a brand new top of the range Massey Ferguson tractor, before a new range came out the following year. When I expressed surprise that he didn't hang on for the new model he explained to me the the current one had everything controlled mechanically. The new one would be mostly electronically controlled. Therefore the current model he could maintain himself, whereas he would be entirely lost with the one that was to replace it.
Anyway, he told me that he was ordering a brand new top of the range Massey Ferguson tractor, before a new range came out the following year. When I expressed surprise that he didn't hang on for the new model he explained to me the the current one had everything controlled mechanically. The new one would be mostly electronically controlled. Therefore the current model he could maintain himself, whereas he would be entirely lost with the one that was to replace it.
Do we know which 1.3 variants are covered? The cover photo engine bay looks cannily like the 2010 1.3 95bhp.
From the Haynes website
Fiat 500 & Panda (04 - 12) 04 to 12
Hatchback. Does not cover 500 Abarth or features specific to Convertible.
Petrol: 1.1 litre (1108cc) & 1.2 litre (1242cc).
Does not cover 0.9 litre 'Twinair' or 1.4 litre petrol engines
Diesel: 1.3 litre (1248cc)
What's inside? Click here to open contents pages in PDF.
Book No:
5558
ISBN:
9780857335586
Web price: £21.99
Availability: In Stock
Is there a Haynes manual out there that covers a Twinair?
I know I can ask all you wonderful folk on this forum any question and get a good answer, but a book to read would be good.
Cheers,
Mick.
I know I can ask all you wonderful folk on this forum any question and get a good answer, but a book to read would be good.
Cheers,
Mick.
Not at the moment
Haynes are very selective what they publish these days and as the twin air isn't nearly as common as the 1.3 diesel or any of 1.2 1.4 variants of fiat engine I would be overly confident they will ever bring one out
Dunno if this is the correct place for this post. Mods, please move it if it needs to be.
In the absence of a Haynes Manual, I downloaded the eLearn Fiat500 manuals from the downloads section on here.
https://www.fiatforum.com/downloads.php?do=download&downloadid=446
Firstly, I found I couldn't open the .rar files so found a program called "The Unarchiver" that would do it. I downloaded it, and lo and behold I could open the .rar files and disk images appeared.
Opening the disk images produced folders with files that my AppleMac can't open because they are .exe files and only applicable to PCs as far as I'm aware.
Basically, I'm stuffed, or at least I think I am.
Regards,
Mick.
In the absence of a Haynes Manual, I downloaded the eLearn Fiat500 manuals from the downloads section on here.
https://www.fiatforum.com/downloads.php?do=download&downloadid=446
Firstly, I found I couldn't open the .rar files so found a program called "The Unarchiver" that would do it. I downloaded it, and lo and behold I could open the .rar files and disk images appeared.
Opening the disk images produced folders with files that my AppleMac can't open because they are .exe files and only applicable to PCs as far as I'm aware.
Basically, I'm stuffed, or at least I think I am.
Regards,
Mick.
I'm not a Mac user, but AIUI there are various ways you can run Windows programs in a Mac environment - one of them ought to work.
Haynes manuals are nothing like they were in the old days - I'd suggest anyone contemplating buying one saves their money and gets the elearn .iso from the downloads section.
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Hi JR,
Yes, you can get a Mac to run Windoze, but it's not something that we've ever needed to do, so none of ours are programmed to do it.
Handbooks and documentation should be saved in PDF format, and that way, any computer or tablet can open them in any operating system.
Cheers,
Mick.
Yes, you can get a Mac to run Windoze, but it's not something that we've ever needed to do, so none of ours are programmed to do it.
Handbooks and documentation should be saved in PDF format, and that way, any computer or tablet can open them in any operating system.
Cheers,
Mick.
