Just covered over 1,000 miles in the last five days in the GP a mixture of motorway 65 to 75 mph and fast A road and it has returned 54.1 according to the trip computer
General GP MPG - What are YOU getting?
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That's about what I would now expect from mine too.
Drops a bit when doing fast motorway travelling, as my weekend trip of about 500 miles (of which 300 was on fast motorways) produced 49.1mpg.
So it seems the GP is giving value for money after all?
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Hi all,
I have been driving a GP 1.9 M-Jet Sporting for a year now and my avg fuel consumption is 43mpg, over 14,000 miles.
More accurately:
- a 15 mile blast on the M4 at speeds well above the national limit result in 38-40 mpg. The same trip at 80-85 mph results in 42-43 mpg, while if I drive at 65-75 mph economy is improved to the tune of 45mpg. I have also seen economy figures of 48-49mpg at 60-65mph, but that's the best I've seen for my daily commute to work.
- a few trips to London Heathrow (340 miles round-trip) at speeds up to 80mph showed consumption of 54-56mpg, no more.
- In town traffic economy is around 35-38mpg.
I did have problems with off-boost performance, I had to enter roundabouts really carefully, it was that bad. However, since Nov 06 I started using BP Ultimate Diesel and have noticed much better off-boost performance and significantly less soot under acceleration. Mind you, fuel consumption has remained unchanged.
I have been driving a GP 1.9 M-Jet Sporting for a year now and my avg fuel consumption is 43mpg, over 14,000 miles.
More accurately:
- a 15 mile blast on the M4 at speeds well above the national limit result in 38-40 mpg. The same trip at 80-85 mph results in 42-43 mpg, while if I drive at 65-75 mph economy is improved to the tune of 45mpg. I have also seen economy figures of 48-49mpg at 60-65mph, but that's the best I've seen for my daily commute to work.
- a few trips to London Heathrow (340 miles round-trip) at speeds up to 80mph showed consumption of 54-56mpg, no more.
- In town traffic economy is around 35-38mpg.
I did have problems with off-boost performance, I had to enter roundabouts really carefully, it was that bad. However, since Nov 06 I started using BP Ultimate Diesel and have noticed much better off-boost performance and significantly less soot under acceleration. Mind you, fuel consumption has remained unchanged.
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Hi Georgios1976 - welcome to the forums (although be aware that :worship: T [our moderator] will chastise you for not introducing yourself in the Newbies section!)
I find your post very interesting, not least because many members here show that the 1.9 is less frugal than the 1.3 (to be expected perhaps, but not if driven gently). Your findings indicate that the 1.9 is actually better at getting good mpg even when driven hard.
For my 1.3 90 Mjet, I can easily get 55mph if I drive like a granny at a steady speed of 55mph on my way to work (20miles) without accelerating at all really at junctions etc. But it drops significantly if I drive 'entusiastically' - down to 46mpg.
Even more interesting is your "off boost" complaint; I thought it was only the 1.3 that suffered but you could be describing my symptoms exactly. I use Shell V-Power diesel because it actually seems to improve the driving power and smoothness but not the off boost turbo lag at roundabouts and T-junctions. I think I'm just getting used to it (after 6,000 miles) and remember to rev a bit before trying to take off.
A bit annoying though that a Suzuki Alto 1.1 can easily nip out of a roundabout faster (and more safely) than I can (and you too, by the sounds of it).
Anyway, interesting to hear your findings, now go and post in the Newbie section quickly before T finds you!
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I am getting 67-8 mpg on a motorway run at between 65-80 using shell diesel. ignore the computer which only shows 63 mpg.
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What? What! No way! What are you driving on, fresh air?
I can't believe either your computer nor you! Well, actually I'm just dead jealous if this is true.
What model have you got and how do you get to those figures? Drive-like-a-granny-athon?
That is about as good as it has ever been but to put it in perspective I was in convoy being followed by a 1.4 diesel Renault Scenic and that manged 56.1mpg for exactly the same journey.
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1.9 Sporting Diesel MJet 56 plate 4,500 miles.
49mpg knocking about being careful but not a granny, 61 at steady 70 on M6 every time I go, depending on holdups!
I honestly find my car loves 70 - 80 mph rather than 50 - 55 my last diesel did. That was a 1.9 TD Carisma (huh?) and that did 42 knocking about and 55mpg on the same M6 trips, same driving style.
Maybe the economy v cost to buy isnt woth it to most but it is to me, but its the performance I love the 1.9 for.... the economy is a useful benefit. Great car so far.
49mpg knocking about being careful but not a granny, 61 at steady 70 on M6 every time I go, depending on holdups!
I honestly find my car loves 70 - 80 mph rather than 50 - 55 my last diesel did. That was a 1.9 TD Carisma (huh?)
and that did 42 knocking about and 55mpg on the same M6 trips, same driving style.Maybe the economy v cost to buy isnt woth it to most but it is to me, but its the performance I love the 1.9 for.... the economy is a useful benefit.
Great car so far.
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This figure is over the past few weeks
71.19/380/5.34/24.23/0.94/£22.78/£0.06/14/05/2007
64.80/328/5.06/22.98/0.95/£21.83/£0.07/18/05/2007
62.26/151/2.43/11.01/0.96/£10.57/£0.07/21/05/07
67.34/237/3.52/15.98/0.96/£15.34/£0.06/01/06/2007
MPG/MILES COVERED/GALLONS USED/LITRES USED/COST PER LITRE/COST OF FILL UP/RATE PERMILE/DATE OF FILL UP
Shows a peak of 71.19 mpg and a low of 62.26. Car is driven 55 miles trip to work on the M62 at 65-70 and 75-80 for the journey home. Changing to shell diesel got me 5% improvement. car has 6000 miles on it and is a 1.3 multijet 90 6 speed
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In my 1.2 8v I have been geting 37ish mpg when driving like a mad person (high revs, over taking etc) but decided to drive sensibly last night and managed my same trip was managed to get 46mpg so good improvement - can't seem to get it to sit at great mpg on motorways though - anyway want to share any secrets?
I'm getting deja vu here!
I reckon the 1.9 diesel, in any application, has turbo lag which makes getting going from standstill slow. Little petrol cars will always be quicker away from the lights. The trick is to use the box to be in a low enough gear for the turbo to be on-hum. This only works on the move though, from standstill the granny will edge away....
By the way, little engines in big bodies will nearly always be less economical than larger, lower stressed motors. They have to pull harder and so are out of their most economical zones.
I reckon the 1.9 diesel, in any application, has turbo lag which makes getting going from standstill slow. Little petrol cars will always be quicker away from the lights. The trick is to use the box to be in a low enough gear for the turbo to be on-hum. This only works on the move though, from standstill the granny will edge away....
By the way, little engines in big bodies will nearly always be less economical than larger, lower stressed motors. They have to pull harder and so are out of their most economical zones.
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Think it proves the best economy device is the individuals right foot, plus the terrain, traffic, properly maintained tyre pressures and the ability to resist blowing everything off (1.9 anyway )
We are all different so the results will be different, forget what the manufacturers state for ANY car, they dont drive them but run them under ideal condition on a rolling road.
)We are all different so the results will be different, forget what the manufacturers state for ANY car, they dont drive them but run them under ideal condition on a rolling road.
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Yup, same model as mine but I'm getting nowhere near those figures.
If you read the beginning of this thread you will see that I have been experimenting just to see how near to the 'official' 61mpg I could get. My best ever (during my drive-like-a-granny stint) was 56.2 mpg.
Your figures are truly astounding and do not bear any resemblance to what other GP 1.3 (or 1.9 for that matter) owners are getting. Nor what FIAT even hint you might get out of a GP. Have they not contacted you?!
I'm using Shell V-power too.
Just what is your secret?
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My MJ 90 6 speed now has 14K on the clock and is the only car I have ever owned that has never come close to the factory figures no matter how i drive it
as i have always said since the moment i bought the car it is an amazing engine and if FIAT had made more of its usable performace figures rather than highlighting its unobtainable economy then i think the 90 6 speed would still be on sale in the UK (especially if FIAT had mapped around the city turbo lag
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I think its just driving style. I usually change up at 2000 in first four gears and always when the engine is cold. The car does two miles on A roads before it goes on the motorway where it sits at 2250 rpm in 6th for 55 miles. return home is a bit faster but usually under 80. I drive in such a manner that I dont use my brakes on the motorway and anticipate traffic slowing down in front of me. If anyone knows the M62 in peak traffic there is plenty of stop start motoring.
I dont think that the Punto is THAT great in terms of MPG. I also have a diesel clio which does an average of 68-70 mpg on the same route, that car now has 105,000 and still pulls strong.
The only other factors are that I always use Mobil 1 turbo diesel and run tyre pressures close to 30 psi.
I accelerate slow, drive quickly and corner hard.
I dont think that the Punto is THAT great in terms of MPG. I also have a diesel clio which does an average of 68-70 mpg on the same route, that car now has 105,000 and still pulls strong.
The only other factors are that I always use Mobil 1 turbo diesel and run tyre pressures close to 30 psi.
I accelerate slow, drive quickly and corner hard.
Im currently getting 39.8 ragging my Starjet, and around 46 when im babying it....but like others I cant seem to get particularly great MPG on the motorway, around 40 odd, however at 56 in 6th I can get the 62 mpg they say, but the slightest incline and its back to around the 40mpg, not sure Fiat tell the truth with these really. My tyre pressures are set to medium load, 2.5 Bar front (35psi) , 2.2Bar (32psi) rear, car seems to ride and handle much better with the tyres nice and hard too.
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It would seem that FIAT have, to some extent, shot themselves in the foot by quoting unrealistic mpg figures.
I partly bought my GP because of the lure of 60mpg (combined). Now, from my experiences of driving like a fun sponge you might get near that figure (56.2mpg and with more effort I could have achieved the magic 60 mpg).
However, if FIAT had said 55 mpg (combined) then everyone would be congratulating themselves on this forum at getting to this figure (albeit in drive-like-a-granny mode) instead of bemoaning the fact that the official figures are unreachable.
Indeed, 55mpg is not bad, and would not have stopped me buying a GP. As allanhelen said, it would have been FAR better if FIAT had eliminated the city turbo lag in both the 1.3 and 1.9 diesel GPs (which could almost be said to be positively dangerous); they would now be lauded as a brilliant car maker instead of just an OK car maker.
I'm still scraping together the pennies for an ECU remap as I'm hoping that will dramatically improve the city turbo lag - and make my GP truly outstanding!
I partly bought my GP because of the lure of 60mpg (combined). Now, from my experiences of driving like a fun sponge you might get near that figure (56.2mpg and with more effort I could have achieved the magic 60 mpg).
However, if FIAT had said 55 mpg (combined) then everyone would be congratulating themselves on this forum at getting to this figure (albeit in drive-like-a-granny mode) instead of bemoaning the fact that the official figures are unreachable.
Indeed, 55mpg is not bad, and would not have stopped me buying a GP. As allanhelen said, it would have been FAR better if FIAT had eliminated the city turbo lag in both the 1.3 and 1.9 diesel GPs (which could almost be said to be positively dangerous); they would now be lauded as a brilliant car maker instead of just an OK car maker.
I'm still scraping together the pennies for an ECU remap as I'm hoping that will dramatically improve the city turbo lag - and make my GP truly outstanding!
There's a new 1.6 diesel coming. Let's hope this is as good as the Peugeot/Ford/Mini one, which seems to deliver both performance and economy. I think Fiat's 1.9 diesel is a brilliant motor, sweet and powerful, but it is a bit old now and not especially economical, and so I expect they are working on a repalcement for that too. As for the 1.3 - let's hope they are sorting that as well. Any turbo engine will have some lag, it goes with the territory.
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Interesting. Perhaps it will combine the best of the 1.3 and 1.9 and improve on the turbo lag.
Perhaps it needs a small supercharger just for the tickover to 2000 rpm range, then the turbo can kick in! Now that would be something!
With the 1.3, at least, it's not just that there's turbo lag. It the fact that there is NO power from 1000 to 2000rpm. Imaging the common, following scenario:
- You're waiting at a roundabout to pull out
- You see your 'window of opportunity' coming
- You get the clutch to biting point
- Your gap arrives
- You floor the accelerator and lift the clutch
- You go NOWHERE - just poodle out at walking pace
- That 16-wheeler behind your 'window of opportunity' is now only 10 feet away
- You go home to change your trousers.
