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850T (For Sale) Fiat 127 903cc Long Block Engine

Type
For Sale
Condition
Used
Price
£495.00
Expires
This is not a 127 engine, looks to me to be an 850 Saloon (Sedan) engine and it's capacity is probably only 843 cc.
The 127, 903cc engine had the fuel pump mounted on an extended timing chain cover, a spin-on oil filter and a different type of engine mounting bracket above the timing cover etc. The engine shown has a crank pulley with built-in centrifugal oil filter - this was on the 850 but not on the 127.
The 127 engine also rotated clockwise whereas the 843 engines rotated anti-clockwise.
It's possible that the engine could be from an early 850 Coupe/Spider but the 903cc Coupe/Spider engines had a large, finned alloy sump, I'm not sure if the 843cc engine in the early 850 Coupe had a pressed steel sump (as shown in your pics) or the alloy version.
 
Dear 124BC1
I'm glad you took the time out to explain to me what it is I actually have. An elderly friend of mine has asked me to clear his cellar and this engine amongst other items he has given me to sell as he thought there may be some value to it. I did some research and deduced that it may be a Fiat 127 engine but was wrong. Now I know what it is the steering wheel I could not identify must be from the same car. I will try and readvertise it as an "850 Saloon" engine. Do you have any better ideas on where I can list these items for sale? Are they desirable for someone rather than the junk yard? Does my price sound right? What do you value a very good condition steering wheel at £? Your time and input is very much appreciated.
Best wishes
Rolf
 
Hi Rolf, thanks for the reply.

To identify the steering wheel, you could do a Google or similar search using e.g. "Fiat 850 steering wheel" as a search term - I did and lots of pics of the different steering wheels for various models of 850 came up, ditto for Fiat 127 steering wheel. What it might be worth is I reckon what it's worth to someone looking for one, either to use, or as a spare, or nowadays as "wall art" or to decorate their garage :). Only difficulty is reaching that person.

For selling secondhand parts for Classic Fiat models in the U.K., I suspect that the classified section (Buying and Selling) here on the Fiat Forum is ideal, lots of members here are involved in restoring or improving their older models.

One thing to consider with secondhand/used parts is that they were removed for a reason - e.g. was the steering wheel replaced because it was damaged or faulty in some way, was it removed to fit an aftermarket/sporty steering wheel, or perhaps the car was scrapped possibly due to rust and the owner kept a few good parts as a memento?
Same with the engine, obviously it was removed for some reason, maybe it's damaged internally or worn out - I note that the carb and other ancillaries are missing. These are questions a possible buyer would likely ask - perhaps your friend can remember why he kept these parts.

As regards prices - as much (or as little!) as someone is prepared to pay. Some might baulk at risking e.g. £ 495 on an engine in unknown condition, others, if in desperate need of such an engine might jump at the chance and be prepared to then carry out a full overhaul at considerable cost. You won't know until you try advertising, but it might help to include "or best offer" in your ads?
An 850 engine is imho probably worth more s/hand than a 127 engine as the 850 crank rotates anti-clockwise (different from all other engines) and various internal parts are either no longer available or are very costly.

I'd suggest providing plenty of pictures in any advert, point out any damage /deterioration/ faults and include any identifying numbers to assist buyers to make a decision.
Iirc, the engine number on the Fiat 850 engine is located on a flat machined surface just above the aluminium Timing Cover and below the level of the cylinder head gasket - so it's close to that al. engine mounting bracket that's above the crank pulley. The 850 engine no. should start with 100G, (the 850 Coupe would be 100GB on early models, or 100GL later models; the 127, 903cc would be 100GL).

Well done for helping out your elderly friend (y)(y)
 
Hi 124BC1
Once again thank you for taking the time out to give some good solid advice. I concur with everything you are saying. I don't think it is about price but all about timing with a listing like this. If someone needs an engine they will pay what it takes due to the rarity factor. Funnily enough I am currently in Sicily and the hotelier I stayed at yesterday happened to have an 850 coupe. What a coincidence so I compared my photos with their very original car photo attached and you are right it does appear to be an 850 engine. When I get home now I have the engine out of the elderly gentleman's cellar who doesn't remember a lot about it I will take better photos to replace these. Thank you once again for the valuable information.
Best wishes
Rolf
 

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