General fiat 500 oil type

[ahmett]

Yes, interesting this. Despite all the threads which indicate that ACEA C3 5w40 oil is the correct grade oil for the TwinAir and the 1.2 etc, it would seem there are 'two versions' of the owners manual floating about, one stating 0.9 TwinAir 65HP 85HP and 105HP SAE 0W30 ACEA C2 Fiat 9.55535-GS1 only, and the other 5w40 ACEA C3, classification 9.55535-S2.

So then, who's going to stick their head above the parapet and say without all shadow of a doubt which is the correct oil to use? Clearly I knew what went in the 1.2, and despite what I can see in my own owners manual, the doubters have made me start to doubt what I see before my eyes, so even I am having difficulties about what the TwinAir uses! I'm more than happy to call a Fiat dealership, but I wonder how many different answers I'll get So technical gurus who actually work at a dealership and service these cars all the time, speak up!

No I think Fiat changed the specs in 2014 with the Euro 6? Or from their tests they found it was a better oil. So if I was a TA driver from my next oil change onwards I would use 0w-30.

 

[frupi]

I had a look at that APP, it doesent seem to differentiate between the engine types - same oil as above for all?

Okey kokey, right, finally I'm completely happy about what I'm supposed to be using. Looked on the official Fiat website.

Go to Ownership tab, scroll down to Handbooks and press on it, redirects you to Fiat eLum home, wait a second and a big pop up box will appear. In the search by Registration/VIN box, type in your car VIN exactly as it is typed on your V5 Log Book and press the > button. One of those boxes that generates a random image will pop up. Type in exactly what it says and hey presto! your own car details should miraculously appear showing registration number, model etc. Press on the handbook download, save to location and open up. Scroll all the way through to the relevant page showing lubricants and it will positively state what oil your own car should be using.

For my own car it positively states that SAE 5W-40 ACEA C3 grade totally synthetic lubricant. FIAT Classification 9.55535-S2 should be used.

I also note that it states that SAE 0W-30 ACEA C2 grade totally synthetic
lubricant. FIAT Classification 9.55535-GS1 should be used in 0.9 TwinAir 65hp petrol engines.

Clearly everyone that is in doubt should use the correct Fiat literature. The information I have posted is for my own vehicle and I am content that I should be following it.

 

[ahmett]

Okey kokey, right, finally I'm completely happy about what I'm supposed to be using. Looked on the official Fiat website.

Go to Ownership tab, scroll down to Handbooks and press on it, redirects you to Fiat eLum home, wait a second and a big pop up box will appear. In the search by Registration/VIN box, type in your car VIN exactly as it is typed on your V5 Log Book and press the > button. One of those boxes that generates a random image will pop up. Type in exactly what it says and hey presto! your own car details should miraculously appear showing registration number, model etc. Press on the handbook download, save to location and open up. Scroll all the way through to the relevant page showing lubricants and it will positively state what oil your own car should be using.

For my own car it positively states that SAE 5W-40 ACEA C3 grade totally synthetic lubricant. FIAT Classification 9.55535-S2 should be used.

I also note that it states that SAE 0W-30 ACEA C2 grade totally synthetic
lubricant. FIAT Classification 9.55535-GS1 should be used in 0.9 TwinAir 65hp petrol engines.

Clearly everyone that is in doubt should use the correct Fiat literature. The information I have posted is for my own vehicle and I am content that I should be following it.

0w-30 must be for the new ta's with euro 6. 2014 models onwards

 

[ahmett]

CONFIRMED.


I dled the 2014 January manual for the Fiat 500. All new TA's will now come with 0w-30 C2 oil. Furthermore, I did a check for the Euro 6 engines, and they now have 80 hp instead of 85? If anyone can help me confirm this that would be great! Here is the Euro 6 Addendum as available on the Fiat UK website.
I also added the 2014 January manual for ALL Fiat 500 models.


Very interesting to see that the NA TA 60 hp instead of 65 has a cc of 964 instead of 875 for the 80 hp instead of 85 hp TA.
Co2 down to 88 g/km! Euro 6 style!

 

[Mercky]

So is a TA built in January 14 automatically Euro 6?

 

[ahmett]

So is a TA built in January 14 automatically Euro 6?

I cant be 100% sure but it is looking that way. Thing is I don't think anyone on the forum has a TA built in January, or anyone for that matter! We will learn in the future!

 

[Mercky]

Well I'll have one any day now so will let you know! I'll be a bit miffed though if I've lost 5bhp!!

 

[ahmett]

Well I'll have one any day now so will let you know! I'll be a bit miffed though if I've lost 5bhp!!

But was yours built in Jan 2014 or Nov/ Dec 2013? If it was built Jan 2014 it wouldn't be in your hand by end Feb the earliest by the time they ship it and customs it up! Let us know though!


Haha well if you have lost 5hp you would have gained 0.3lt/100 km in fuel economy according to the manual!

 

[PsFiat]

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[PsFiat]

If the car is being built in January, I agree that it would have to be at least a month away from delivery.

 

[frupi]

I use and have used Castrol oils in various cars for years, so I am happy with the brand I know, even though Petronas make the Fiat oil I beleive so of course it is okay. Some would call me a fool, but each to their own, whatever makes you happy.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with your choice, especially if it meets your own vehicle needs. I posted the link for the Petronas oil because as you quite rightly point out, Petronas apparently make the Selenia oil that Fiat recommend. It's just that personally, it wouldn't matter one jot to me even if I had used Castrol oils for years, I still wouldn't pay ten quid over the odds for oil when I know that the company that makes the oil the marque recommends, is being sold cheaper. I just can't figure out in my mind how the Petronas blend of the Syntium 3000 AV is any different to the Selenia branded oil of the same viscosity allegedly manufactured by Petronas?

As you say, whatever makes you happy

 

[306maxi]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with your choice, especially if it meets your own vehicle needs. I posted the link for the Petronas oil because as you quite rightly point out, Petronas apparently make the Selenia oil that Fiat recommend. It's just that personally, it wouldn't matter one jot to me even if I had used Castrol oils for years, I still wouldn't pay ten quid over the odds for oil when I know that the company that makes the oil the marque recommends, is being sold cheaper. I just can't figure out in my mind how the Petronas blend of the Syntium 3000 AV is any different to the Selenia branded oil of the same viscosity allegedly manufactured by Petronas?

As you say, whatever makes you happy

It probably isn't any different, but it's probably more expensive in a Selenia can

 

[ahmett]

So is anyone going 0W-30 for their next TA oil change?

 

[frupi]

So is anyone going 0W-30 for their next TA oil change?

Not in our car. Specifically states 5w40 ACEA C3 in the manual. Even if the car was not under warranty, I still wouldn't, there's no point putting in something that isn't recommended in the applicable owner manual. Ok, later it may not even be Selenia oil, but it might be the Petronas. As Maxi says, probably isn't any different, just a different can.

 

[ahmett]

Not in our car. Specifically states 5w40 ACEA C3 in the manual. Even if the car was not under warranty, I still wouldn't, there's no point putting in something that isn't recommended in the applicable owner manual. Ok, later it may not even be Selenia oil, but it might be the Petronas. As Maxi says, probably isn't any different, just a different can.

I think the thinner oil is better for turbo cars. Otherwise why would fiat bother changing the oil type for the ta suddenly? Dont forget engine is still fairly new so they decided to give 0w-30 a try. if i was a ta driver i would go 0w-30 next oil change

 

[frupi]

I think the thinner oil is better for turbo cars. Otherwise why would fiat bother changing the oil type for the ta suddenly? Dont forget engine is still fairly new so they decided to give 0w-30 a try. if i was a ta driver i would go 0w-30 next oil change

Again, I'll draw your attention to what it says in my owner manual:

For 0.9 TwinAir 85 HP versions, using lubricants with specifications lower than ACEA C3 and with grade SAE 5W40 could cause engine damage not covered under warranty.

I would have to have a signed letter from Fiat technical to state that using an oil not recommended by Fiat in my own car would not harm it in any way. Do you honestly think Fiat would do that? Unless of course they issue a Technical Bulletin to all dealers stating that the use of 0w30 was permissible in all TA's built prior to January 2014. I'll just stick with the specified oil and low mileage/yearly service intervals thank you.

 

[ahmett]

Again, I'll draw your attention to what it says in my owner manual:

For 0.9 TwinAir 85 HP versions, using lubricants with specifications lower than ACEA C3 and with grade SAE 5W40 could cause engine damage not covered under warranty.

I would have to have a signed letter from Fiat technical to state that using an oil not recommended by Fiat in my own car would not harm it in any way. Do you honestly think Fiat would do that? Unless of course they issue a Technical Bulletin to all dealers stating that the use of 0w30 was permissible in all TA's built prior to January 2014. I'll just stick with the specified oil and low mileage/yearly service intervals thank you.

Your manual is outdated. It's like using io6 for iphone5 instead of ios7!

 

[ahmett]

Anyway my point is i am wondering why fiat changed the oil type to 0w-30. Can anyone of the forum tell us why?

 

[frupi]

Your manual is outdated. It's like using io6 for iphone5 instead of ios7!

You seem to have forgotten that I posted the link to the manual from the Fiat website and you indeed looked at it yourself. For my year of TA based on my car VIN and reg number it states 5w40 ACEA C3 not 0w30. So tell me, how is the latest manual available from Fiat e-lum outdated?

I thought you'd answered your own question too about why they've allegedly changed the oil viscosity for new TA's from January this year....Euro 6?

 

[ahmett]

You seem to have forgotten that I posted the link to the manual from the Fiat website and you indeed looked at it yourself. For my year of TA based on my car VIN and reg number it states 5w40 ACEA C3 not 0w30. So tell me, how is the latest manual available from Fiat e-lum outdated?

I thought you'd answered your own question too about why they've allegedly changed the oil viscosity for new TA's from January this year....Euro 6?

That's what I am trying to figure out. What is different in Euro 6 for them to change viscosity? Or is it just a general decision of Fiat to change viscosity for their TA engines.