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Tom
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Anonymous
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Re: uprated clutch
I did read the earlier post, but i wasnt sure if AP & AP racing were the same company...
AP Racing provided me with an uprated clutch on a previous car.
Daz
I did read the earlier post, but i wasnt sure if AP & AP racing were the same company...
AP Racing provided me with an uprated clutch on a previous car.
Daz
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Anonymous
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To be fair to Daz, AP are in Leamington and AP Racing are in Coventry, although they are the same company.
AP in Leamington used to be a huge employer around here and a lot of their (ex)employees live where I do. I often drink and organise local events with the guy who designed the gearboxes for the twin cam engines for Lancia and Fiat amongst other things. AP braking systems which are used by the majority of the F1 teams are developed by them.
Nige
To be fair to Daz, AP are in Leamington and AP Racing are in Coventry, although they are the same company.
AP in Leamington used to be a huge employer around here and a lot of their (ex)employees live where I do. I often drink and organise local events with the guy who designed the gearboxes for the twin cam engines for Lancia and Fiat amongst other things. AP braking systems which are used by the majority of the F1 teams are developed by them.
Nige
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Anonymous
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Oh and another bit of trivia for you, Leamington Town FC's nickname is "The Brakes" becuase their ground used to be on AP's land, however they had to move because during the decline of AP Manufacturing they sold the land that the ground was on for redevelopment - or Wimpy rabbit hutches.
Oh and another bit of trivia for you, Leamington Town FC's nickname is "The Brakes" becuase their ground used to be on AP's land, however they had to move because during the decline of AP Manufacturing they sold the land that the ground was on for redevelopment - or Wimpy rabbit hutches.
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David T
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No I haven't phoned sachs yet as I ain't got time. Thats why I posted the telephone number.
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Anonymous
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I wouldn't bother - Fiat aren't on the list, tuff.
Have emailed the ZF/Sachs Group in Germany about a possible uprated clutch for the Fiat JTD Bravo, Multipla, etc. Shan't hold my breath though.
Andy
Have emailed the ZF/Sachs Group in Germany about a possible uprated clutch for the Fiat JTD Bravo, Multipla, etc. Shan't hold my breath though.
Andy
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Anonymous
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I e-mailed AP racing to see if there was one...No (as already mentioned)
They have come back to me and said they certainly won't do a one off. But may be interested if there was a minimum order of 30+...But he stated that is not a definate as he still has to check with the relevant engineer first and get back to me.
I will keep you posted...
Quick question...do all the 1.9JTD engines use the same clutch? (Bravo/a, Multipla, Stilo, Doblo etc...)
@ Nige/Andy - Do you think you could get 30+???
Daz
"Failure is not an option; it is bundled with the software" - William Gates
They have come back to me and said they certainly won't do a one off. But may be interested if there was a minimum order of 30+...But he stated that is not a definate as he still has to check with the relevant engineer first and get back to me.
I will keep you posted...
Quick question...do all the 1.9JTD engines use the same clutch? (Bravo/a, Multipla, Stilo, Doblo etc...)
@ Nige/Andy - Do you think you could get 30+???
Daz
"Failure is not an option; it is bundled with the software" - William Gates
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Tom
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Ring Ferodo.
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Anonymous
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Yes its the same clutch on all the JTD's, a 230mm Ducato Motorhome jobbie.
I probably could get 30+ but to be honest I get so fed up with people who say "if you did xyz I would have one" then dissapear/get married/move house/get syphallis etc when it comes to the crunch I will have to give it serious thought.
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I probably could get 30+ but to be honest I get so fed up with people who say "if you did xyz I would have one" then dissapear/get married/move house/get syphallis etc when it comes to the crunch I will have to give it serious thought.
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Fair point...
Did you get my fax?
Daz
"Failure is not an option; it is bundled with the software" - William Gates
Did you get my fax?
Daz
"Failure is not an option; it is bundled with the software" - William Gates
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Anonymous
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I would be interested as a Bravo JTD owner with 155 remap.
But the uprated clutch must be able to handle 200bhp and 300lbs torque as I'd like to give Nige's mental remap a go and explore the capability of the engine. The std clutch slips like a snake thats just put on it's suntan for the day.
And the cost? Even ordering 30 clutches at say £250/360 each would be around £9-10k.
I sympathise with him, many will baulk or let him down when the crunch to actually put down their cash comes around and then have it fitted.
Will AP produce a couple to see if they actually do the job?
I'd be reluctant to buy one that hadn't been tested or alternatively was guaranteed not to louse up.
Anyhow when I emailed them they (AP) were insistent that they would NOT be making an uprated clutch for the Fiat range. I guess their decision means they're already making shed loads of money and can turn this obvious gap in the market away.
Andy
I would be interested as a Bravo JTD owner with 155 remap.
But the uprated clutch must be able to handle 200bhp and 300lbs torque as I'd like to give Nige's mental remap a go and explore the capability of the engine. The std clutch slips like a snake thats just put on it's suntan for the day.
And the cost? Even ordering 30 clutches at say £250/360 each would be around £9-10k.
I sympathise with him, many will baulk or let him down when the crunch to actually put down their cash comes around and then have it fitted.
Will AP produce a couple to see if they actually do the job?
I'd be reluctant to buy one that hadn't been tested or alternatively was guaranteed not to louse up.
Anyhow when I emailed them they (AP) were insistent that they would NOT be making an uprated clutch for the Fiat range. I guess their decision means they're already making shed loads of money and can turn this obvious gap in the market away.
Andy
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Tom
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200BHP and 300lbs would probably kill the gearbox.
Someone like AP won't tool up just to make a couple of test items unless they have a firm order. It would probably cost them several grand in tooling alone.
"I'd be reluctant to buy one that hadn't been tested or alternatively was guaranteed not to louse up."
If a company does it as a special then it won't be tested and it won't have any guarantee. Unless you want to lend them a suitable car and pay for the development and testing time required....
"I guess their decision means they're already making shed loads of money and can turn this obvious gap in the market away."
Well they make a std clutch for the 105JTD and 99.99% of people are more than happy with it. If there was REALLY a gap in the market someone would have made one, but there isn't so they haven't.
200BHP and 300lbs would probably kill the gearbox.
Someone like AP won't tool up just to make a couple of test items unless they have a firm order. It would probably cost them several grand in tooling alone.
"I'd be reluctant to buy one that hadn't been tested or alternatively was guaranteed not to louse up."
If a company does it as a special then it won't be tested and it won't have any guarantee. Unless you want to lend them a suitable car and pay for the development and testing time required....
"I guess their decision means they're already making shed loads of money and can turn this obvious gap in the market away."
Well they make a std clutch for the 105JTD and 99.99% of people are more than happy with it. If there was REALLY a gap in the market someone would have made one, but there isn't so they haven't.
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Tom do you have a JTD and one that has been remapped?
If you did you'd understand what some one who actually has one and has had it remapped is talking about.
There are no aftermarket uprated clutches for the Bravo or any other Fiat models especially the JTDs. Unlike Alfa, VW or BMW the Fiat clutches don't seem to be as robust.
There is a gap in the market, but it is a question of low number of units sold that deters the likes of AP and Sachs from producing something. Quite frankly those that own these cars are few and those that would be genuinely interested in such an upgrade even fewer. So before you belittle my comments tell us whether you own a JTD and whether you have underatken Nige's services to have it remapped, becuase as far as I can make out you haven't, so you are talking out of your.........
And you make the claim that it would destroy the gearbox, what evidence do you have for this? Bu then again it all depends on how a car is driven.
Andy.
Tom do you have a JTD and one that has been remapped?
If you did you'd understand what some one who actually has one and has had it remapped is talking about.
There are no aftermarket uprated clutches for the Bravo or any other Fiat models especially the JTDs. Unlike Alfa, VW or BMW the Fiat clutches don't seem to be as robust.
There is a gap in the market, but it is a question of low number of units sold that deters the likes of AP and Sachs from producing something. Quite frankly those that own these cars are few and those that would be genuinely interested in such an upgrade even fewer. So before you belittle my comments tell us whether you own a JTD and whether you have underatken Nige's services to have it remapped, becuase as far as I can make out you haven't, so you are talking out of your.........
And you make the claim that it would destroy the gearbox, what evidence do you have for this? Bu then again it all depends on how a car is driven.
Andy.
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Nige, if something were to come of the efforts of those
who are trying very hard to get some one to produce something for the JTD, what sort of power and torque figures would you have thought the uprated clutch should be able to handle given the potential of the engine and to make the whole thing worthwhile?
More than likely nothing will happen and this will all be a waste of time.
Andy
Nige, if something were to come of the efforts of those
who are trying very hard to get some one to produce something for the JTD, what sort of power and torque figures would you have thought the uprated clutch should be able to handle given the potential of the engine and to make the whole thing worthwhile?
More than likely nothing will happen and this will all be a waste of time.
Andy
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Anonymous
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"More than likely nothing will happen and this will all be a waste of time."
I am inclined to agree...
I still had his contact details from when they supplied me with an uprated cluth on my old car, so i though i would ask him anyway.
(Even though i own a HGT, not a JTD)
Daz
"More than likely nothing will happen and this will all be a waste of time."
I am inclined to agree...
I still had his contact details from when they supplied me with an uprated cluth on my old car, so i though i would ask him anyway.
(Even though i own a HGT, not a JTD)
Daz
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Anonymous
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The max out is about 170bhp becuase of the boost pressure switch in the manifold. We had a Multipla with 168bhp which was the highest we had one of those without the 90mph 4 gear acceleration cut out, but the Bravo didn't have suffer from it for some reason. If you had a decat then we could start going higher and of course a bigger turbo.....
Nige
The max out is about 170bhp becuase of the boost pressure switch in the manifold. We had a Multipla with 168bhp which was the highest we had one of those without the 90mph 4 gear acceleration cut out, but the Bravo didn't have suffer from it for some reason. If you had a decat then we could start going higher and of course a bigger turbo.....
Nige
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Tom
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Andy, you moan alot but you don't seem to want to take the initiative and get off your butt and get something made. You want it handed to you on a plate with a nice bow and a guarantee that all will work just fine....
Keep dreaming!
Andy, you moan alot but you don't seem to want to take the initiative and get off your butt and get something made. You want it handed to you on a plate with a nice bow and a guarantee that all will work just fine....
Keep dreaming!
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Wimmy
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Re: uprated clutch
Now now tom - put your handbag away please
Now now tom - put your handbag away please
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Tom
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Re: uprated clutch
Well, I've found a clutch for a Fiat coupe which will take 335lbs of torque according to the maker. I THINK most fiat clutches are the same spline (22.5x20T) so they could probably make one to fit the JTD.
But the Coupe one is £525!
Well, I've found a clutch for a Fiat coupe which will take 335lbs of torque according to the maker. I THINK most fiat clutches are the same spline (22.5x20T) so they could probably make one to fit the JTD.
But the Coupe one is £525!
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Anonymous
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if you look throught the Demon Tweeks Catologue, proper race clutches handling that sort of power and torque are not cheap.
As for you Tom until your last post I think you've been talking ......***********.
Have you made contect with Sachs in German or Ap themselves?
I now have the lead on a company in Banbury who supplied my Volumex clutch rated to 250bhp and 258lbs torque and I am hoping that they may be able to do a bespoke clutch for around £300 which is what my Volumex one cost.
Hats off to Daz and Nige and all the other contibutors. You mate hit the nail on the head, get off your backside and...************
Andy
if you look throught the Demon Tweeks Catologue, proper race clutches handling that sort of power and torque are not cheap.
As for you Tom until your last post I think you've been talking ......***********.
Have you made contect with Sachs in German or Ap themselves?
I now have the lead on a company in Banbury who supplied my Volumex clutch rated to 250bhp and 258lbs torque and I am hoping that they may be able to do a bespoke clutch for around £300 which is what my Volumex one cost.
Hats off to Daz and Nige and all the other contibutors. You mate hit the nail on the head, get off your backside and...************
Andy