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Technical changing the engine
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* This might be a lie. Or unhelpful. Or both.
* This might be a lie. Or unhelpful. Or both.
Give me £10,000 and I will get it done for you 
Edit: Or to be a little more helpful you should look at the Lancia 2.0 turbo engine instead as there are kits available to fit them. Try asking www.turbocollective.net as someone on there has fitted a 1.6 Lancia turbo engine (smaller version of the 2.0).
Edit: Or to be a little more helpful you should look at the Lancia 2.0 turbo engine instead as there are kits available to fit them. Try asking www.turbocollective.net as someone on there has fitted a 1.6 Lancia turbo engine (smaller version of the 2.0).
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Give me £10,000 and I will get it done for you
Edit: Or to be a little more helpful you should look at the Lancia 2.0 turbo engine instead as there are kits available to fit them. Try asking www.turbocollective.net as someone on there has fitted a 1.6 Lancia turbo engine (smaller version of the 2.0).
the coupe engine is the lancia 2.0 turbo engine..... just less power..
Hmm, I'm talking 1980's Fiat/ Lancia Turbo engine (1.6 Delta HF, 2.0 Croma Turbo), of which I know the 1.6 has been fitted to a Uno by WayneGTS on Turbocollective. How similar they are to the 1990's Coupe turbo engine I'm not sure, but as I haven't heard them spoken about in such a conversion I assumed they weren't the same?
Either way, the kit to fit the 1.6/ 2.0 Lancia twin cam turbo ain't cheap, I think it costs over £1K. Then you've got to source the engine and get it all installed too. Plus after all that you've got to somehow get the power actually on the road, which isn't easy with a 2.0 litre turbo lump and no traction control!
I ought to write a FAQ on this, as I give the same cynical answer every time
Have a look at https://www.fiatforum.com/uno/171352-2-0-16v-turbo-into-uno.html - I think that's the most useful thread - not only do you have the doomsayers Chas and myself, you also have a couple of people who have actually DONE the conversion
This time though we have a new angle on it - price - I think if you have to ask the price, it's probably not economic to do the swap. I'm fairly certain that it will be more cost-effective just to buy a FIAT Coupe.
Have you already exhausted all the tuning possibilities for the Uno Turbo 1.4 engine? You have a hybrid turbo and front-mount intercooler? Considered larger injectors and 1.6L bottom end? All of that will be cheaper than a Coupe engine + conversion + certification + insurance. Plus I reckon the finished hi-boost turbo car would be faster, lighter, and more fun to drive.
I'm biased but I reckon the best answer for cheap power is to buy an Alfa Romeo 164 - 200bhp for less than £200 complete car and I reckon better to drive than a Coupe - I don't think any engine swap into an Uno Turbo can match that value for money, but I would like to be proved wrong!
-Alex
Have a look at https://www.fiatforum.com/uno/171352-2-0-16v-turbo-into-uno.html - I think that's the most useful thread - not only do you have the doomsayers Chas and myself, you also have a couple of people who have actually DONE the conversion
This time though we have a new angle on it - price - I think if you have to ask the price, it's probably not economic to do the swap.
I'm fairly certain that it will be more cost-effective just to buy a FIAT Coupe.Have you already exhausted all the tuning possibilities for the Uno Turbo 1.4 engine? You have a hybrid turbo and front-mount intercooler? Considered larger injectors and 1.6L bottom end? All of that will be cheaper than a Coupe engine + conversion + certification + insurance. Plus I reckon the finished hi-boost turbo car would be faster, lighter, and more fun to drive.
I'm biased but I reckon the best answer for cheap power is to buy an Alfa Romeo 164 - 200bhp for less than £200 complete car and I reckon better to drive than a Coupe - I don't think any engine swap into an Uno Turbo can match that value for money, but I would like to be proved wrong!
-Alex
The 164 is a fantastic car, but its not as good as an Uno for some things!
Parking, chuckability(3 or 2 wheel cornering!), simplicity, cheapness of parts, lightness, economy, the van like boot when you fold the seats down etc. These are the things I LOVE about my Uno!
Also the insurance for a 164 is alot higher than the Uno here.
I`d like a Fiat Coupe, its reliable, got rear seats for my kids & looks lovely, BUT I couldnt carry as much in it as I do in the Uno (my mountain bike for example). That goes for the 164 too.
The Alfa GTV is also gorgeous, I`d love one of them too, but it has the same downsides as the coupe.
To me, if you want to stick a turbo twin cam in a small, spacious, simple Fiat, it makes infinately more sence to do it to a Tipo, its virtually a straight swap!
In fact if I didnt have the Uno, I`d have a 1.4 Tipo instead (I`m kinda keeping my eye out for one anyway).
The Bravo is a very attractive small-medium hatchback, but lacks the boot & interior room of the Tipo & is alot more complex electronically (& slightly less reliable as a result). In theory the turbo twin cam (or even the 5 cylinder turbo) would fit that...
So, if you wanna stick a turbo twincam in anything, get a Tipo, if you feel like going really mad, fit the 4wd system in too (from what I can work out its a fairly simple swap).
But, if you want to upgrade the Uno, stick a 1.6 engine in with the turbo & gearbox (& loom & mountings) in from a UT.
Its logical to me anyway!
Parking, chuckability(3 or 2 wheel cornering!), simplicity, cheapness of parts, lightness, economy, the van like boot when you fold the seats down etc. These are the things I LOVE about my Uno!
Also the insurance for a 164 is alot higher than the Uno here.
I`d like a Fiat Coupe, its reliable, got rear seats for my kids & looks lovely, BUT I couldnt carry as much in it as I do in the Uno (my mountain bike for example). That goes for the 164 too.
The Alfa GTV is also gorgeous, I`d love one of them too, but it has the same downsides as the coupe.
To me, if you want to stick a turbo twin cam in a small, spacious, simple Fiat, it makes infinately more sence to do it to a Tipo, its virtually a straight swap!
In fact if I didnt have the Uno, I`d have a 1.4 Tipo instead (I`m kinda keeping my eye out for one anyway).
The Bravo is a very attractive small-medium hatchback, but lacks the boot & interior room of the Tipo & is alot more complex electronically (& slightly less reliable as a result). In theory the turbo twin cam (or even the 5 cylinder turbo) would fit that...
So, if you wanna stick a turbo twincam in anything, get a Tipo, if you feel like going really mad, fit the 4wd system in too (from what I can work out its a fairly simple swap).
But, if you want to upgrade the Uno, stick a 1.6 engine in with the turbo & gearbox (& loom & mountings) in from a UT.
Its logical to me anyway!
I ought to write a FAQ on this, as I give the same cynical answer every time
Have a look at https://www.fiatforum.com/uno/171352-2-0-16v-turbo-into-uno.html - I think that's the most useful thread - not only do you have the doomsayers Chas and myself, you also have a couple of people who have actually DONE the conversion
This time though we have a new angle on it - price - I think if you have to ask the price, it's probably not economic to do the swap.
Have you already exhausted all the tuning possibilities for the Uno Turbo 1.4 engine? You have a hybrid turbo and front-mount intercooler? Considered larger injectors and 1.6L bottom end? All of that will be cheaper than a Coupe engine + conversion + certification + insurance. Plus I reckon the finished hi-boost turbo car would be faster, lighter, and more fun to drive.
I'm biased but I reckon the best answer for cheap power is to buy an Alfa Romeo 164 - 200bhp for less than £200 complete car and I reckon better to drive than a Coupe - I don't think any engine swap into an Uno Turbo can match that value for money, but I would like to be proved wrong!
-Alex
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Very good points there
From where I'm sitting, the obvious choice for a turbo twincam project seems to be a Tipo Sedicivalvole. Then at least you already have the right engine type plus the suspension, brakes, trim, etc. to suit!
-Alex
From where I'm sitting, the obvious choice for a turbo twincam project seems to be a Tipo Sedicivalvole. Then at least you already have the right engine type plus the suspension, brakes, trim, etc. to suit!
-Alex
It is the obvious thing to do isnt it!
Having said that, alot of people like doing the opposite of obvious for the sake of it!
One of my fantasy projects would be to stick a rolled Delta Integrale`s running gear, including 4WD system, into my Tempra 2.0 twin cam estate! (although its a fairly straight swap, so not as `out there` as a turbo twin cam Uno!)
Another one would be a Honda 1500 Goldwing engined 126 BIS!
If only I had the room, money & time
Having said that, alot of people like doing the opposite of obvious for the sake of it!
One of my fantasy projects would be to stick a rolled Delta Integrale`s running gear, including 4WD system, into my Tempra 2.0 twin cam estate! (although its a fairly straight swap, so not as `out there` as a turbo twin cam Uno!)
Another one would be a Honda 1500 Goldwing engined 126 BIS!
If only I had the room, money & time
Very good points there
From where I'm sitting, the obvious choice for a turbo twincam project seems to be a Tipo Sedicivalvole. Then at least you already have the right engine type plus the suspension, brakes, trim, etc. to suit!
-Alex
True, but that's only for standard examples. Mention "2.0 litre turbo conversion" when getting quotes for a Uno could well end up way more expensive than a Fiat Coupe turbo!
The reputation for the Coupe seems to suggest otherwise for reliability, at least in terms of the 5 cylinder turbo models. The Uno is definitely more practical
Agreed! Moreso if you start off with a Sedicivalvole model, which basically uses the n/a version of the 2 litre turbo engine.
Another thing also worthy of mention is outright bhp is NOT everything. A 2.0 litre turbo Uno may end up being SLOWER on a track than a well sorted 1.3/ 1.4 version, simply because you can have too much power and additionally too much weight. I've no idea how heavy a 2.0 litre turbo engine would be over the standard UT lump but I suspect it would be heavier, so straight away you're going to lose out on the handling. With too much power/ torque you are going to have problems with wheel spin/ torque steer/ traction. Power is useless if you can't get it down effectively, and also bear in mind that a 150bhp Uno is probably equivilent to a 200 - 250bhp modern hatch in the power to weight ratio stakes.
Lastly there's a saying when it comes to big engined conversions as asked by the OP. "If you have to ask how much it will cost, then you can't afford it."
Insurance companies do NOT like modified cars.
Especially if you do the work yourself.
Especially if you do the work yourself.
Thats true actually, if you want to stick any engine in anything non standard its going to raise the insurance significantly.
I`ve not looked into the twin cam conversions in Uno`s, but I suspect the gearbox room & driveshaft compatibility would probably be an issue too.
Another thing to bear in mind is all the complexity involved in fitting an engine into another car that doesnt usually slot into is going to cause alot of wasted time fabricating & modifying everything to make it all work. Even then you may not get it right 1st or 2nd time, leading to time off the road modifying even more.
All this time skinning knuckles & head scratching could have been used DRIVING the thing instead!
Maybe my Uno 1.9JTD idea is a viable alternative.. (but then the weight would wreck the handling)... https://www.fiatforum.com/uno/199567-1-9-td-engine-transplant.html
The standard Uno is plenty fun if you learn how to use it properly, as an example, theres a bit of road near my parents that I use to test handling, you start at a set of lights, then you hit a roundabout, come off te roundabout & theres another set of lights. Now, if you can get btween the 1st set of lights & get through the last set of lights before they go red, you know you have a car with the right mix of handling & power.
The Boxster, the XJR AND the Uno 60S all just about make it, my Brothers 944 does too, all the other cars I`ve tried, including the 164, the Tempra twin cam, several VW`s & 6 cylinder BMW`s, dont!
Bear in mind the Uno has 310 LESS bhp than the XJR...
If you take another exit off the roundabout you can test the acceleration, obviously the Uno doesnt do quite as well there! (the Jag comprehensively canes everything else easily in that test).
BHP DOES NOT have any relation to the amount of fun you can have.... especially in town...
This is the main reason I use the Uno more than any of my other cars!
Man, do I love Unos!:slayer:
I`ve not looked into the twin cam conversions in Uno`s, but I suspect the gearbox room & driveshaft compatibility would probably be an issue too.
Another thing to bear in mind is all the complexity involved in fitting an engine into another car that doesnt usually slot into is going to cause alot of wasted time fabricating & modifying everything to make it all work. Even then you may not get it right 1st or 2nd time, leading to time off the road modifying even more.
All this time skinning knuckles & head scratching could have been used DRIVING the thing instead!
Maybe my Uno 1.9JTD idea is a viable alternative.. (but then the weight would wreck the handling)... https://www.fiatforum.com/uno/199567-1-9-td-engine-transplant.html
The standard Uno is plenty fun if you learn how to use it properly, as an example, theres a bit of road near my parents that I use to test handling, you start at a set of lights, then you hit a roundabout, come off te roundabout & theres another set of lights. Now, if you can get btween the 1st set of lights & get through the last set of lights before they go red, you know you have a car with the right mix of handling & power.
The Boxster, the XJR AND the Uno 60S all just about make it, my Brothers 944 does too, all the other cars I`ve tried, including the 164, the Tempra twin cam, several VW`s & 6 cylinder BMW`s, dont!
Bear in mind the Uno has 310 LESS bhp than the XJR...
If you take another exit off the roundabout you can test the acceleration, obviously the Uno doesnt do quite as well there! (the Jag comprehensively canes everything else easily in that test).
BHP DOES NOT have any relation to the amount of fun you can have.... especially in town...
This is the main reason I use the Uno more than any of my other cars!
Man, do I love Unos!
:slayer:True, but that's only for standard examples. Mention "2.0 litre turbo conversion" when getting quotes for a Uno could well end up way more expensive than a Fiat Coupe turbo!
The reputation for the Coupe seems to suggest otherwise for reliability, at least in terms of the 5 cylinder turbo models. The Uno is definitely more practical
Agreed! Moreso if you start off with a Sedicivalvole model, which basically uses the n/a version of the 2 litre turbo engine.
Another thing also worthy of mention is outright bhp is NOT everything. A 2.0 litre turbo Uno may end up being SLOWER on a track than a well sorted 1.3/ 1.4 version, simply because you can have too much power and additionally too much weight. I've no idea how heavy a 2.0 litre turbo engine would be over the standard UT lump but I suspect it would be heavier, so straight away you're going to lose out on the handling. With too much power/ torque you are going to have problems with wheel spin/ torque steer/ traction. Power is useless if you can't get it down effectively, and also bear in mind that a 150bhp Uno is probably equivilent to a 200 - 250bhp modern hatch in the power to weight ratio stakes.
Lastly there's a saying when it comes to big engined conversions as asked by the OP. "If you have to ask how much it will cost, then you can't afford it."
I thought it was Shaun (philli) who put the engine in the Uno that is now owned by Wayne.
That's what he told me when he dropped off the 999cc engine, gearbox and loads of other bits from his next project... http://www.turbocollective.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=1295
I`ll give you another quick example.
On the way home just now I had a brief race (1/2 a mile urban) with a silver 51 reg BMW M3 that had been bullying everyone & being lairy for a few miles previously, he was really trying hard when it was just the 2 of us (in fact I was worried I was pushing him too hard!), but he couldnt get away and in the end he flashed his hazzards in a gesture of surrender & gently backed off & stopped being lairy.
He had quickly realised that on that kind of road he wasnt going to get away from me, despite having an 8yo "race proven thoroughbred" with 330+bhp compared to my humble 19yo bog standard 57bhp Uno!
So, I repeat, there is no relationship between power & fun or ability!
Uno-tastic
(I took a pic because I wanted to check his plate to make sure it was a real M3 when I got in, but it came out too blurry! you can make out his big quad exhausts & LED tail lights though!)
On the way home just now I had a brief race (1/2 a mile urban) with a silver 51 reg BMW M3 that had been bullying everyone & being lairy for a few miles previously, he was really trying hard when it was just the 2 of us (in fact I was worried I was pushing him too hard!), but he couldnt get away and in the end he flashed his hazzards in a gesture of surrender & gently backed off & stopped being lairy.
He had quickly realised that on that kind of road he wasnt going to get away from me, despite having an 8yo "race proven thoroughbred" with 330+bhp compared to my humble 19yo bog standard 57bhp Uno!
So, I repeat, there is no relationship between power & fun or ability!
Uno-tastic
(I took a pic because I wanted to check his plate to make sure it was a real M3 when I got in, but it came out too blurry! you can make out his big quad exhausts & LED tail lights though!)
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i collected a 2.0 8v turbo lancia/fiat twin cam lump the other day.
the white uno is soon to double in cc
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the white uno is soon to double in cc
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