General Cannot get hydraulic pipe after 2 months

[FiatPuzzle]

Rather desperately hoping that someone can help point me in the direction of a source for a 2013 Panda 4x4 slave cylinder pipe (part no. 55242281 according to the garage). Not sure if this is specific to the 4x4 vs standard Panda or if say a 500 part would fit.

I have the Master cylinder and slave cylinder pipe fail in June and since then have had the car sitting in the garage with them able to get the cylinder but not the pipe - having had the date pushed back and back Fiat apparently now don't know when the part will arrive.

Apparently none of the suppliers have the and you can't get a non genuine part - any help hugely appreciated as I am about to lose the hire car.

 

[RalphM]

Depends on how desperate you are but I have used this company's
product for motorcycles and they are well up on quality.

https://www.venhill.co.uk/hydraulic-lines-amp-fittings.html

Not used this lot but more car oriented

https://furorecars.co.uk/brake-clutch-hoses/

 

[FiatPuzzle]

That's a smart idea, thanks. Worth a call at least to work out the cost. Thank you! (fairly desperate)

I have just found a breaker with a FIAT PANDA 1.2 PETROL 2013 pipe - anyone know if there is likely to be a difference between a non and 4x4 model plus 0.9 vs 1.2?

 

[varesecrazy]

Sometimes a Hydraulic specialist can just 'build you one..'

But I am amazed a car parts place cannot supply anything..

 

[FiatPuzzle]

Likewise, I was astounded - so I've basically taken over hunting for the part from the garage who seem unable to do anything. Part of the issue is trying to work out if parts from other similar Fiat models e.g. the standard panda/500 etc might be compatible as the part number I have from the garage doesn't bring up anything online

 

[varesecrazy]

This might offer a litte help:

https://www.fiatforum.com/500/482562-500-clutch-hydraulic-issues.html?482562=#post4553601

That part seems to fail regularly on 500's.. and they are pretty much idential mechanically

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

The pipe is plastic - if that has any bearing on having one made. Pre-2012 Panda used a separate fluid reservoir for the clutch, which was on the driver's side of the car. Post 2012, the clutch shares fluid form the brake fluid reservoir which is on the passenger side -- so the part is likely different from older models. This might also rule out using 500 parts - depending on where the fluid is housed. I would not expect there to be any difference between 2- and 4-wheel drive models, or between the various engines.

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

FiatPuzzle Second reply: that part number is for the curly section of pipe mounted just inside the wing. Item 10 in this drawing (https://www.ilcats.ru/fiat/?vin=ZFA...up2=18103-010&variant=2&revision=0&clid=14342) . The part number you quote is for both 0.9 petrol and 1.3 diesel versions, but only for the 4x4 and Trekking models apparently. (Other models the part is number 55242278, according to that site in the link)

 

[jrkitching]

Keeping a car off the road for months for want of a plastic pipe says a lot about the capability of modern day garages.

Surely it can't be that hard to fabricate an alternative to get the car moving again? If the owner wants to keep things original, it can always be replaced when the proper part becomes available.

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

 

[FiatPuzzle]

FiatPuzzle Second reply: that part number is for the curly section of pipe mounted just inside the wing. Item 10 in this drawing (https://www.ilcats.ru/fiat/?vin=ZFA...up2=18103-010&variant=2&revision=0&clid=14342) . The part number you quote is for both 0.9 petrol and 1.3 diesel versions, but only for the 4x4 and Trekking models apparently. (Other models the part is number 55242278, according to that site in the link)

Thanks, that's a really helpful link

 

[FiatPuzzle]

Keeping a car off the road for months for want of a plastic pipe says a lot about the capability of modern day garages.

Surely it can't be that hard to fabricate an alternative to get the car moving again? If the owner wants to keep things original, it can always be replaced when the proper part becomes available.

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

Absolutely no interest in keeping the part original! I had suggested non-genuine/other options from day one with the garage

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

Thanks, that's a really helpful link

Here’s another which is in English… https://fiat.7zap.com/en/gin/33/31917q051870-012/

 

[murphyv310]

Hi.
I take it its the pipe that has the coiled up section that is supposed to damp out clutch vibration. There is a mod for the diesel versions that add in a diaphragm type damper and it comes with the alloy in line connector. This could be fitted. The pipe is plastic and hard to join but I would think a section of braided 8mm fuel hose could be slipped over the pipe once the connector is removed and the pipe carefully cut, use the braided fuel hose (dip in boiling water first) and with as small gap as possible. Secure with two ear "O" clips. The fluid pressure in a clutch circuit is much lower than in brakes, I'm certain it will work even temporarily.

PS.
I have some suitable fuel pipe which I can send and possibly some O clips

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

If it’s not a silly question, what’s wrong with the pipe? It’s a curly plastic pipe - not really a lot to fail there really?

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

This eBay search shows that pipe supplied as part of a replacement slave cylinder… which would seem a good move? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323690635262?epid=248487981&hash=item4b5d771ffe:g:ltQAAOSwUR9cYaLU

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

You might also see if a Ford part fits, given that the previous Ka was built by Fiat and appears to share the same parts… https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272377125910

 

[murphyv310]

If it’s not a silly question, what’s wrong with the pipe? It’s a curly plastic pipe - not really a lot to fail there really?

Hi.
There is an alloy joining piece that corrodes, its the issue and not the pipe, it's not avaliable separately so the made up pipe is required. I'd cut the alloy joining piece out and splice in braided fuel pipe, held with O clips as I've said a few posts back. The car is off the road so there is nothing to loose.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIKALOR-...2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0

 

[varesecrazy]

Is it joining plastic to plastic..or alloy tube?

If plastic then a 'collet style ' joiner ..as used in many air and fluid systems ..would seem simplest

Its not dissimilar to the push.fit household plumbing kit.. but obviously smaller than 15mm

 

[murphyv310]

Is it joining plastic to plastic..or alloy tube?

If plastic then a 'collet style ' joiner ..as used in many air and fluid systems ..would seem simplest

Its not dissimilar to the push.fit household plumbing kit.. but obviously smaller than 15mm

Hi.
The OE pipe is rigid plastic and the braided plastic fuel line a softer plastic. The OE pipe I believe is either 6 or 8mm OD and fuel line is avaliable with the same ID. I've spliced this kind of pipe work before the same way with two ear O clips and it's withstood 40bar pressure with no issues, the trick is to make sure the ends of the OE pipe actually contact inside of the spliced on pipe, correct sized O clips with hold it tight with no crushing of the OE rigid pipe.

Mind when you cut the OE pipe the ends are less rigid and it may be difficult to get a good seal with a collet type of fitment.

 

[varesecrazy]

Hi.
The OE pipe is rigid plastic and the braided plastic fuel line a softer plastic.

Mind when you cut the OE pipe the ends are less rigid and it may be difficult to get a good seal with a collet type of fitment.

You make it sound like a drinking straw..