Technical BACK LIGHTS REPLACED WITH SEMI LEDS PROBLEM

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Technical BACK LIGHTS REPLACED WITH SEMI LEDS PROBLEM

chrisAgrinio

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Hello.....

a friend of mine had replace the back lights from a 500X with semi led lights, of course in cluster have error, thats normal.... we add 25Ω resistance (Philips) and for some weeks dtc in cluster had disappeared.... and it came back, pretty sure the resistance had burn out.....

any idea what resistance i must use to solve that problem????

thanks.....
 
Model
500X st1
Year
2016
any idea what resistance i must use to solve that problem????
Which bulbs ie what wattage are the LEDs replacing.

Clearly 25 ohm worked before, so maybe he needs better quality heat dissipating resistors. You might need to confirm what the problem is first.

Are these after market clusters or did he just change the bulbs.

If they are bulbs and its made up of a cluster of loads of small LEDs then if multiple LEDs burn out this will affect he power consumption and may not be obvious if adjacent LEDs are still working.

If its some after market cluster, then it might be worth checking with the manufacturer what they recommend.
 
Hello,

Check the resistance of the tungstene wire bulb and the LED. Substract :)

And here you are ;)
The resistance of an incandescent lamp varies as it gets hot and emits light, so reading its resistance when cold is useless

The LED's will be drawing much less current.

The old stop/tail bulb would be a 5/21watt I guess, so if you're talking about the 5watt lamp , the original current would have been just over 400ma, so a 25ohms resistor would have been fine , but it would need to be a 6watt resistor (minimum) otherwise it would fry quickly.
You may well get away with a higher value resistor before the error flags up.... experiment... but you need to use a suitable wattage resistor for that value resistance value.
So for instance using a 50R resistor would need to be a 3watt minimum...

And you'll need to make sure that resistor is placed accordingly to avoid melting wires of plastic nearly.

Use something like https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/power-calculator.html to work out the values
 
Hi guys,
I bought a 2015 Fiat 500x.
Of course i wanted to change the daytime running lights and taillights with the 2018 facelift version.
There were no problems with the daytime lights, just connected them.
For the rear i bought original OLSA lights.
I installed them, they work but i have the message on the dashboard : check the parking lights , check the brake lights.
I also installed Led Osram Canbus Control 12v 21W on each rear light , but the error wont go away...
What is to be done ? What i do wrong ?
 
On a 2015 500X each light unit has TWO 12V 21W bulbs wire in parallel. So for side lights the bulbs are driven by modulation so as to deliver lower average voltage to the bulbs and thus produce less light intensity. When the brake pedal is pressed the full 12V is delivered.

If we talk normal bulbs then the combined resistance of the bulbs is HALF that of a single 12V 21W bulb, and the system will detect when when just one bulb has failed. I've not personally measured to see if the body computer sends low sensing voltage / current through the complete circuit even when the side lights are turned off. This could be tested with the old light unit and with the ignition on but lights off remove one or both blubs to see if this detected.

I see the Osram kits is just basically two (so called) 21W metal power resistors. I think their 21W is just the sales marketing rating to be aligned with 21W bulb. These Osram resistors look more like 15W aluminium clad wire wound items.

The power rating is regardless of voltage so their resistance value could be anything. Also generally these metal cased power resistors are designed to be mounted on some form a heat sinking surface to reliably handle a full 15/21 Watts of dissipation.

You could try doubling up the Osram resistors (in parallel) to see if that solves your problem. If it does then ideally you need to measure the resistance of one of the resistors. You can then half that and buy a replacement instead of having two/four dangling items attached to the wiring loom.

See this as an example: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/chassis-mount-resistors/0159792?gb=s

These types of resistors are quite cheap (sub £5) so the Osram kits are quite expensive at £30 to £100!

Also if I look at the official OSRAM website data sheet (https://www.osram.co.uk/appsj/pdc/p...vid=MP_EUROPE_UK_eCat&lid=EN&mpid=ZMP_4064927) they don't specify the resistance value used either so you will have to measure yourself if doubling up fixes the problem.
 
Yesterday i had some free time and i detailed the problem.
The parking lights and the brake lights have the same bulbs P21W , for lights are powered at 5.2v , for brakes are powered at 12v, same bulbs.
An interesting system used by Fiat.
I checked the Osram canbus connection again and found an error. I connected to the signal wire.
The wires in the taillight: black=ground , yellow=parking light , green=brake light.
I reconnected the wires and the error disappeared . I succeeded !!!
So i used an Osram canbus for each bulb. (11ohms measured resistance)
For the future i will check how heat is released , in the event of using an additional radiator.
Its good to know...
 
I'm please you sorted the problem and found as I detailed.

I had a similar problem when I wired my tow bar. In this case I wired the bypass relay unit as you would do in a traditional setup. What I then found is that with sidelights on the caravan/trailer sidelights come on as one would expect. However when you press the brake pedal both the caravan/trailer sidelights AND brake lights come on.

I know how to fix the problem as the 500X is what the bypass relay manufacturer call a multiplexed setup and I only needed to connect one wire and not two. However I've left it wired with two wires as now when I brake I get a full complement of brake and sidelights to tell followers I'm braking. :)
 
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