Anyone up for an arguement?? :)

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Anyone up for an arguement?? :)

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have you got a link to this and i will put it up!

Fiat Brava 1.2SX Formula 47.8k
Also trying to fix a 1.4 :(
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I like the way the officious moderator tells us not to believe the surveys when a Bravo owner uses one to support the Bravo's reliability, but it was the "Parkers" gang who used surveys to claim how bad the Bravo's were in the first place !!

TBH, I'm tempted to go on and give my £0.02 but I can't be arsed arguing with a bunch of pricks who have obviously never driven a Bravo and just go on hearsay. FFS, they are on "Parkers" forum, a "totally believeable guide" ;)

Ignore them, we have no need to justify our choice of transport. We know how good these cars are and that they are just as good or bad as any other car out there of equivalent age.

Some people just get off on ragging on a particular object/person/trend etc because it gives them some kind of feeling of superiority or intelligence when in actual fact, they're just a bunch of worthless c*nts who spend too much time indoors with the curtains drawn ;)

They all probably claim to drive top of the range Ferrari's or Aston's and in reality they have a Smart Car or Mk.1 Fiesta :)

Let them eat cake....

Rob
Marea Weekend 1.8 16v 115 ELX
 
well said rob!

im normally the last person to get draged in to things as petty as this but when people have a go for no reason. how helpfull are they? the poor kid asked about this car and all they could do was slate his choice of car, if he would have cme here we could and would have told what to look for!

Fiat Brava 1.2SX Formula 47.8k
Also trying to fix a 1.4 :(
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Ive well had a go at them me, dont even have the bravo anymore, I just dont understand how they can justify what they are saying.

Like Rob said, they use facts from a survey one minute, then say surveys arent worth the paper theyre written on!!!!

They wouldnt know a good car if it hit them in the face!!! :) (I like that one!)

KeithR
 
BTW, the Bravo/a is a car for people who have taste and half a brain :)...there are a few exceptions though I must add ;)
 
Now now lads. We've all had this before. State your case and don't get lured in to a my car's better than your car fight. Sounds like (as on here) there's a few wind up merchants on the site and they're pulling your strings. Kkeep it polite and we can all discuss.

After all, you're representing one of the best car clubs in the world here so don't let us down! :)


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hey people... i think some of us are taking what they say to heart.. they aren't slgging ur car off... they aren't even trying to pick fights (well 1 or 2 are getting close) they are just saying wot they know about them & wot their mates ex-boyfriends next door neighbours cousins sisters new fella things about his, he bought off e-bay for £100!


I don't think the mod is very happy that there seem to be exceptions to their fool proof car guides..... could possible somwhere some1 got it wrong, or they didn't ask the right owners??


I do think we all should be fair about our bravo's... and reflect on any problmes we've had with the car since owning it.... well that wasn't very long reflection :)

I f***ing love my Bravo... and i will defend her to the hills!!! jumped up know-it-alls!!! ;)


owww that feels betta.. :) :)

Anyways... any1 wanna buy my JTD :) you should see her.... she's beautiful :) and standard(ish) :(

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I'm certain that Fiat have a real image problem in Britain.
It's taken 25 years before I bought another Fiat.
My 124 Coupe literally just rusted away before my eyes! Mind you Alfa's were just as bad!

People just dismiss Fiats, they think they know them to be un-reliable, cheap & nasty cars.

Fact is rather different of course. The Brava/o was built in a SOA plant. Modern methods of production mean you don't have rust problems any more than VW's Fords etc.

What BOO people know is how good Brava/o's are to drive. Only the very latest Astra's, the Mark 2 Focus, and the latest spec Golf's are actually a superiour drive to the Brava.
Anything from the same year (even the above models) are not as nice to take round the twisty stuff as a Brava/o.

My 96P 1.6 Brava SX was nine years old before any major expenditure (Injectors).
As regards space, no similar model hatchback can compete with the rear legroom and boot size even today!

But let's not tell anyone how good they are. We don't want sub standard types catching on. Let them keep buying Pugs, Escorts and Astra's.
I quite like the fact that Brava/o's aren't as common as other marques. It'll take years of fine quality Fiats before their image with the buying public of GB is improved.
But if Skoda can do it on the strength of the Octavia & the Fabia then so can Fiat if the new Punto and the replacements for the Stilo & Chroma are up to the mark.

In the meantime the Brava/o is the best value for your money in the used car market.....as long as you don't expect to sell it after a short while. Only two cars depreciate faster than ours, both Korean I believe.
 
I agree with Stuart that FIAT's still, quite unjustifiably, suffer from a bad image problem that harks back to the day when FIAT's regularly vanished in a puff of Ferrous Oxide. My dad, who was born not too far from Turin, home of FIAT, who's first car was a 500, had a very bad experience with a FIAT and has detested them ever since. Every time I pitch up in a new FIAT, I get a lecture about how rubbish they are ! in 1978, him and his business partner bought a pair of 132 Supermirafiori's. 2.0L Twin Cam engines which were superb, 5 speed gear box (remember, this was 78, not even the latest Ford Cortina had 5 gears !), Electric windows, pull down red perspex sun visors (very cool) and loads of other toys, all costing less than the Ford Cortina Mk IV.

4 years later, it had corroded so badly that he could only sell it for £275 !! Now, that's what I call depreciation !

Since the introduction of galvanised steel with the Tipo and the success of the Uno and subsequent Punto, I don't think FIAT have made a "bad" car. There have been some design faux pas (Stilo, anyone ?) but we all know that FIAT's no longer suffer from the problems that gave them this reputation and that they are no worse than any of the other major marques.

Sadly tho', reputations in the motor industry are terribly difficult to shrug off. Rover had the same rust problems and never got over that. Skoda only managed it with VW money and a very clever reverse psychology ad campaign. These reputations get passed down from generation to generation with fathers telling their sons not to buy this car or that car based on their experiences 20 years previous.

I've had 7 FIAT's now, my step dad has had 3 (still has Marea saloon), my kid brother drives a Punto, and none of us have ever had a major problem that was down to the car alone or wasn't sorted immediately by FIAT. My Tipo had to have the head skimmed and a new big end, only because I let the bloody thing overheat and ignored the faulty thermostat. My Punto Diesel and Cinq Sporting had a couple of tiny rust bubbles which were fixed with no quibble under warranty, my Punto Sporting had a burst heater matrix, again sorted with no question free of charge OUT of warranty because FIAT said that it must've been a defective component and should have lasted at least 100K. My HGT gave me no problems at all, neither did my Sei Sporting. I now have the Marea Weekend and anticipate no major issues (touch wood) but certainly don't feel that I have a car that suffers from the things that FIAT have a bad rep about.

Like Stuart says, I'm quite happy for people to steer clear of FIAT if they want. It makes them more unique and less prone to becoming a rat boy racer car. I'm happy in my choice and feel no need to justify that by having a pointless argument in a forum on the internet.

Arguing on the internet is like being on Big Brother. Even if you win, no one will remember you tomorrow ;)

Rob
Marea Weekend 1.8 16v 115 ELX
 
Easy Tiger!

Their electrics have an apalling reputation. Ironically, it's usually the ones with "Bosch" stamped on them that are the offending items.

As you know, I have owned Fiat/Alfa since 1993 with an interlude for Honda/Mazda. I always come back the theItalian brands as other marques dont "do it" for me. I know Fiats have a poor reputation (look at a dealer's face when you trya and part-ex one agianst another marque) and in some cases, I have to say that it is justified.

For example, I had a Punto which had 2 x head gaskets, 1 x gearbox, 4 X cam gasket, 1 x heater matrix plus numerous other faults in under 20k miles of ownership. That is bad. Having said that, I has a HGT for 18 months and the only fault was a leak in the footwell, which was my fault for letting the drain holes clog up.

It's a moot point that could be argued (and propably will be) all day; but I still stick to the fact that they're not the best bulit or reliable cars available. I still buy them though!

NB - Cant be tempted by the 2.4 Stilo. Horrible.
 
Found this "article" on Sniff Petrol and thought it was quite appropriate to the guys on Parkers and the occasional anonymous poster we get on here ;)

"FAT SMUG **** SLAGS OFF STUFF ON INTERNET
The car industry was in crisis this week with news that everything they do is rubbish, at least according to the sneeringly critical opinions of a fat nerd who posts on an internet forum. Chris Titt, better known by the username SuperFlash2000, is a 32 year old IT consultant who drives a Lotus Elise and correctly believes that owning a moderately quick car and having a high disposable income makes him completely qualified to be critical of everything, knowing full well that he will never be asked to prove he could do better. "We've really been shown the error of our ways," confided one senior car company source. "I mean this bloke clearly knows his stuff. He's able to deliver incisive feedback and opinion on almost any car without even having driven it. You have to take that kind of knowledge seriously. We spend years developing our new models but we just can't compete with a greasy charisma vacuum who sits in front of a computer all day and then goes home to spend the evening in front of a computer because he rightly knows that the whole world must hear the relentlessly negative opinions of a man whose entire life experience is based on stripping down hard drives and dressing like a member of the Jesus and Mary Chain, but one that couldn't get laid even if they had a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes hanging off their nob".
Mr Titt himself was unavailable for comment because he was watching Top Gear, something he does every week despite repeatedly claiming to hate it."


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Rob
Marea Weekend 1.8 16v 115 ELX
 
Spot on!! :):):)

They mentioned how I posted on here with the title 'Anyone up for an arguement'. What they didn't mention was the smiley face after it. It was always meant to be in a lighthearted manner as with most things on here. I never intended it to turn into a 'Lets go on there and tell them our car is the best in the world' that they seem to think. Yes the Bravo isn't the best car in the world...that's a fact that we all know. BUT compared to nearly any other car I can think of for the money it is. I look at it like this...if people with alot of knowledge of cars like Tom and Sven have one, it can't be all that bad or they wouldn't have it :)
 

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