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What is E10 fuel and can I use it in my car?
Since September 2021, British fuel retailers have had to adopt a new petrol formula to reduce emissions

by James Ruppert
6 mins read
24 June 2024


The widespread adoption of E10 fuel is now long complete, with almost every forecourt across the UK dispensing it from the green pump.

It was in September 2021 that the government announced the enhanced ethanol-mix fuel would become the new standard grade of unleaded petrol across Great Britain, citing its lower CO2 emissions compared with the previous E5 blend. Northern Ireland followed suit in November 2022.

Many may not have noticed the changeover to E10 fuel, but question marks remain over its adoption – from whether your car can run on it, to whether it reduces fuel economy, if it’s okay to mix it with E5 petrol, and much more.
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This comprehensive guide explains everything you need to know about E10 fuel.
What is E10?

To make conventional fuels less environmentally harmful, it was decided to blend in some renewable content such as biodiesel and ethanol. This is nothing new: it has been going on with petrol and diesel in the UK since the early 2010s.

Ethanol is an alcohol fuel produced from a range of plants, including sugar cane and grains. The upside is that, unlike regular unleaded petrol, growing the crops that make ethanol actually absorbs CO2, partially offsetting greenhouse gas emissions.

Before the introduction of E10, the standard unleaded petrol was called E5 and made up of 95% regular unleaded petrol and 5% renewable ethanol – hence the name.

Diesel remains as B7 and is made up of 7% biodiesel.

Blending renewable fuels in this way has reputedly contributed to a CO2 emissions reduction equal to taking more than a million cars off the road.

E10 was introduced to further reduce the emissions produced by petrol vehicles by doubling the amount of ethanol used to 10%.

The UK government estimated that its widespread adoption could reduce CO2 output by 2%. That might not seem like a huge amount, but as Britain moves towards a net-zero-carbon future, every little helps.
Can my car run on E10?

Most cars built in the past 20 years or should be able to run on E10, because the fuel has been widely available in other countries for years. In fact, of the roughly 30 million cars in the UK, the RAC Foundation has estimated that just over 634,000 won’t be able to use E10.

Of these, only 150,000 were built after 2000, meaning most are classic or vintage machines.

For these older cars, experts have warned that the increased ethanol content is likely to lead to issues in the long term, the most common being blocked fuel filters, damaged fuel pumps, the rapid degradation of fuel lines and corroded carburettors.

However, the government has confirmed that owners of these cars will be able to purchase less problematic E5 fuel, albeit in more expensive, higher-octane super-unleaded form.

The Petrol Retailers Association said in 2021: “E5 will still be available in five years' time, but only as the protection grade in ‘super’. It will be reviewed in five years' time.”

Should I use E5 or E10 petrol?

If your petrol car is unable to run on E10 (see above), then E5 fuel is still available, albeit in more expensive (and higher-octane) super-unleaded form.

But if your car’s user manual says it's compatible with E10 fuel, then there’s no reason why you shouldn’t use it. Apart from a drop in fuel economy compared with the E5 alternative, there should only be a minimal difference at all in the way your car drives.

Which cars cannot run on E10?

Most petrol cars manufactured since the 1990s are able to run on E10 fuel without issues, but there were some exceptions – particularly during the early 2000s.

The government’s website hosts an E10 compatibility checker, which asks you to enter the manufacturer of your car.

It will then tell you which petrol cars from that brand are compatible with E10, and which are not. For example, entering Alfa Romeo tells you that all petrol engines used in the Mito supermini are compatible with E10. However, only a select few in the 159, Brera and Spider can run on it.


If you still aren’t sure after checking online, look inside your car’s fuel filler flap or check the owner’s manual. Failing that, ask the manufacturer, or consult a specialist forum such as an owner’s club.

Since 2011, all new cars sold in this country have had to be E10-compatible.

What happens if I put E10 petrol in my old car?

If you make a mistake at the pumps and brim your older car with E10, all is not lost. Unlike the fuel-tank draining consequences of a petrol-diesel misfuel, simply dilute it with E5 from then on and it should be fine. But don’t make a habit of it, say the fuel manufacturers, including Shell.

E10 can affect older cars in the following ways:

Cold start

Higher ethanol content in petrol can make it harder to turn over an engine from cold.

Vapour lock

Ethanol’s higher volatility can contribute to vapour lock (petrol becoming gaseous) when operating temperatures are higher, causing stalling.

Leaks

Ethanol’s high solvency can cause problems with many seal and gasket materials that are used in fuel systems, as well as with glassfibre resins.
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More leaks

Besides a risk of fuel leaks, rubbers and resins can get partially dissolved, producing deposits that could foul carburettor jets.

Corrosion

Ethanol can become acidic and cause corrosion of aluminium, zinc and galvanised materials, as well as brass, copper and steels coated in lead or tin.
Should I use E10 petrol in my sports car?

Many performance cars – the BMW M5, Mercedes-AMG A45 and Porsche 911, to name a few – are designed to run on high-octane fuels, typically demanding 98 RON or better. Currently, fuels with these octane ratings are still E5 blends.

That isn’t to say that you can’t run them on E10, but you might notice a slight change in the engine’s power delivery: regular users of super-unleaded often report that their car ‘feels’ more responsive, especially in the low to medium rev ranges. Many independent studies have revealed the modest power gains that can be gleaned from higher-octane fuels, with testers reporting subjective improvements on the road.

If you want to make sure you’re getting the most out of your car’s engine in terms of performance and fuel efficiency, then super-unleaded is still the way to go.

Yes, it’s more expensive to buy, but factor in a slight increase in fuel efficiency over 95 RON unleaded – particularly E10 – and the cost difference might not be as noticeable as you expect.

Does E10 fuel give lower MPG figures?

The US’s Environmental Protection Agency has estimated that E10 can reduce fuel economy by 3-4% compared with fuel that does not contain any ethanol.
This happens because ethanol contains around 33% less energy than pure petrol. So you have to burn more of it to achieve the same power output.

Nonetheless, if your car’s user manual says it's compatible with E10 fuel, then there’s no reason why you shouldn’t use it. Apart from that drop in fuel economy compared with the E5 alternative, there should be only a minimal difference at all in the way your car drives. If you’re unsure which fuel to use, always consult the car’s manual.

Is it okay to mix E5 and E10 petrol?

Yes, it is okay to mix E5 and E10 petrol. The risk of using E10 in a car that is not built to use it is to do with the corrosion of rubber and plastic components, rather than any issues with how the engine runs. This corrosion takes place over an extended period of time, so one-off use shouldn’t cause any problems.

If you fill a car that isn’t E10-compatible with the fuel, the RAC recommends topping it up with E5 after using a quarter of a tank. As long as you don’t make a habit of using E10 regularly in a car that does not support its use, you should be fine.

If you’ve filled a car that isn’t E10-compatible with the fuel and plan to let it sit for an extended period – such as putting it into storage for the winter – make sure you’ve cleared as much E10 from its fuel system as you can using the above method.

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can fuel system parts in a ducato petrol 2 litre engine be changed so that unleaded e10 fuel can be used all the time?
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so i read this page: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/what-e10-fuel-and-can-i-use-it-my-car

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What is E10 fuel and can I use it in my car?
Since September 2021, British fuel retailers have had to adopt a new petrol formula to reduce emissions

by James Ruppert
6 mins read
24 June 2024


The widespread adoption of E10 fuel is now long complete, with almost every forecourt across the UK dispensing it from the green pump.

It was in September 2021 that the government announced the enhanced ethanol-mix fuel would become the new standard grade of unleaded petrol across Great Britain, citing its lower CO2 emissions compared with the previous E5 blend. Northern Ireland followed suit in November 2022.

Many may not have noticed the changeover to E10 fuel, but question marks remain over its adoption – from whether your car can run on it, to whether it reduces fuel economy, if it’s okay to mix it with E5 petrol, and much more.
Related articles


This comprehensive guide explains everything you need to know about E10 fuel.
What is E10?

To make conventional fuels less environmentally harmful, it was decided to blend in some renewable content such as biodiesel and ethanol. This is nothing new: it has been going on with petrol and diesel in the UK since the early 2010s.

Ethanol is an alcohol fuel produced from a range of plants, including sugar cane and grains. The upside is that, unlike regular unleaded petrol, growing the crops that make ethanol actually absorbs CO2, partially offsetting greenhouse gas emissions.

Before the introduction of E10, the standard unleaded petrol was called E5 and made up of 95% regular unleaded petrol and 5% renewable ethanol – hence the name.

Diesel remains as B7 and is made up of 7% biodiesel.

Blending renewable fuels in this way has reputedly contributed to a CO2 emissions reduction equal to taking more than a million cars off the road.

E10 was introduced to further reduce the emissions produced by petrol vehicles by doubling the amount of ethanol used to 10%.

The UK government estimated that its widespread adoption could reduce CO2 output by 2%. That might not seem like a huge amount, but as Britain moves towards a net-zero-carbon future, every little helps.
Can my car run on E10?

Most cars built in the past 20 years or should be able to run on E10, because the fuel has been widely available in other countries for years. In fact, of the roughly 30 million cars in the UK, the RAC Foundation has estimated that just over 634,000 won’t be able to use E10.

Of these, only 150,000 were built after 2000, meaning most are classic or vintage machines.

For these older cars, experts have warned that the increased ethanol content is likely to lead to issues in the long term, the most common being blocked fuel filters, damaged fuel pumps, the rapid degradation of fuel lines and corroded carburettors.

However, the government has confirmed that owners of these cars will be able to purchase less problematic E5 fuel, albeit in more expensive, higher-octane super-unleaded form.

The Petrol Retailers Association said in 2021: “E5 will still be available in five years' time, but only as the protection grade in ‘super’. It will be reviewed in five years' time.”

Should I use E5 or E10 petrol?

If your petrol car is unable to run on E10 (see above), then E5 fuel is still available, albeit in more expensive (and higher-octane) super-unleaded form.

But if your car’s user manual says it's compatible with E10 fuel, then there’s no reason why you shouldn’t use it. Apart from a drop in fuel economy compared with the E5 alternative, there should only be a minimal difference at all in the way your car drives.

Which cars cannot run on E10?

Most petrol cars manufactured since the 1990s are able to run on E10 fuel without issues, but there were some exceptions – particularly during the early 2000s.

The government’s website hosts an E10 compatibility checker, which asks you to enter the manufacturer of your car.

It will then tell you which petrol cars from that brand are compatible with E10, and which are not. For example, entering Alfa Romeo tells you that all petrol engines used in the Mito supermini are compatible with E10. However, only a select few in the 159, Brera and Spider can run on it.


If you still aren’t sure after checking online, look inside your car’s fuel filler flap or check the owner’s manual. Failing that, ask the manufacturer, or consult a specialist forum such as an owner’s club.

Since 2011, all new cars sold in this country have had to be E10-compatible.

What happens if I put E10 petrol in my old car?

If you make a mistake at the pumps and brim your older car with E10, all is not lost. Unlike the fuel-tank draining consequences of a petrol-diesel misfuel, simply dilute it with E5 from then on and it should be fine. But don’t make a habit of it, say the fuel manufacturers, including Shell.

E10 can affect older cars in the following ways:

Cold start

Higher ethanol content in petrol can make it harder to turn over an engine from cold.

Vapour lock

Ethanol’s higher volatility can contribute to vapour lock (petrol becoming gaseous) when operating temperatures are higher, causing stalling.

Leaks

Ethanol’s high solvency can cause problems with many seal and gasket materials that are used in fuel systems, as well as with glassfibre resins.
Article continues below advertisement
Back to top

More leaks

Besides a risk of fuel leaks, rubbers and resins can get partially dissolved, producing deposits that could foul carburettor jets.

Corrosion

Ethanol can become acidic and cause corrosion of aluminium, zinc and galvanised materials, as well as brass, copper and steels coated in lead or tin.
Should I use E10 petrol in my sports car?

Many performance cars – the BMW M5, Mercedes-AMG A45 and Porsche 911, to name a few – are designed to run on high-octane fuels, typically demanding 98 RON or better. Currently, fuels with these octane ratings are still E5 blends.

That isn’t to say that you can’t run them on E10, but you might notice a slight change in the engine’s power delivery: regular users of super-unleaded often report that their car ‘feels’ more responsive, especially in the low to medium rev ranges. Many independent studies have revealed the modest power gains that can be gleaned from higher-octane fuels, with testers reporting subjective improvements on the road.

If you want to make sure you’re getting the most out of your car’s engine in terms of performance and fuel efficiency, then super-unleaded is still the way to go.

Yes, it’s more expensive to buy, but factor in a slight increase in fuel efficiency over 95 RON unleaded – particularly E10 – and the cost difference might not be as noticeable as you expect.

Does E10 fuel give lower MPG figures?

The US’s Environmental Protection Agency has estimated that E10 can reduce fuel economy by 3-4% compared with fuel that does not contain any ethanol.
This happens because ethanol contains around 33% less energy than pure petrol. So you have to burn more of it to achieve the same power output.

Nonetheless, if your car’s user manual says it's compatible with E10 fuel, then there’s no reason why you shouldn’t use it. Apart from that drop in fuel economy compared with the E5 alternative, there should be only a minimal difference at all in the way your car drives. If you’re unsure which fuel to use, always consult the car’s manual.


Is it okay to mix E5 and E10 petrol?

Yes, it is okay to mix E5 and E10 petrol. The risk of using E10 in a car that is not built to use it is to do with the corrosion of rubber and plastic components, rather than any issues with how the engine runs. This corrosion takes place over an extended period of time, so one-off use shouldn’t cause any problems.

If you fill a car that isn’t E10-compatible with the fuel, the RAC recommends topping it up with E5 after using a quarter of a tank. As long as you don’t make a habit of using E10 regularly in a car that does not support its use, you should be fine.

If you’ve filled a car that isn’t E10-compatible with the fuel and plan to let it sit for an extended period – such as putting it into storage for the winter – make sure you’ve cleared as much E10 from its fuel system as you can using the above method.


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can fuel system parts in a ducato petrol 2 litre engine be changed so that unleaded e10 fuel can be used all the time?
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I am guessing not at that age , so best to stay with the E5.
Am I correct the 1971cc engine is derived from the Peugeot 504 lump so quite old, it is also how it affects seal and rubber pipes, even some ten year old garden machinery can have issues.
 
thanks for replies. can the 5 per cent ethanol be rem-oved from the E10 making it E5? could get LPG
 
I run an old car (1950s) and only use E5.

As far as I'm aware, all the major super-grade 97+ fuels are safe to use E5 (up to 5% ethanol):

BP Ultimate
Shell V-Power
Esso Synergy (Esso Synergy Supreme+ 99 is apparently ethanol free)
Jet Ultra

Using E10 in an emergency isn’t critical as long as you use it & don’t leave it sitting in the fuel lines for long periods. In dire need, it’s OK to do a splash & dash with E10, then fill up with 97 RON or higher E5 when possible.

E10 can do long-term damage to rubber elements in fuel pump, lines and carbs, so best avoided if possible.
 
Are you OK with modern low Octane..
But have concerns about Ethanol content..?

My older Fiat's were set for for over 100RON, never mind 97!
An old Fiat Uno I had was like a spring chicken when I fed her with some 1980s Five star petrol that had been lurking in a a boat fuel tank for more than 20 years, once I had got the water and rust filtered out,so it just goes to show how we have become used to poor modern fuel.
 
You can still use E10 in ancient engines just one little job to do first, remove the ethanol. Easily done. Plenty of utube vids.
Basically add water to the petrol (and water soluble food dye to make it easier to see) shake vigourously and allow to settle. The water takes the ethanol into solution, just pour into 2 separate containers. Bobs your mother brother, still possible without the food die. Ive had to do it for the lawnmower. For vehicles probably easier to buy E5.
 
You can still use E10 in ancient engines just one little job to do first, remove the ethanol. Easily done. Plenty of utube vids.
Basically add water to the petrol (and water soluble food dye to make it easier to see) shake vigourously and allow to settle. The water takes the ethanol into solution, just pour into 2 separate containers. Bobs your mother brother, still possible without the food die. Ive had to do it for the lawnmower. For vehicles probably easier to buy E5.
Does sound a bit labour intensive.
Also you are losing 10% of the fuel you have paid for.:(
Does sound like Government is doing all it can to get rid of old stuff and make us my crappy new.:(
 
Does sound a bit labour intensive.
Also you are losing 10% of the fuel you have paid for.:(
Does sound like Government is doing all it can to get rid of old stuff and make us my crappy new.:(
Yes it is labour intensive , think about doing 10 gallons of it but at least it doesnt destroy 50yr old carberettors. Goverments have always forced / coerced us to do what they want , pity they dont understand the concequences of thier actions. About99 japan jumping out of diesel forcing the petrol route. UK Do the opposite forcing diesel, now UK forcing electric, rest of world? What will history tell us?
 
can fuel system parts in a ducato petrol 2 litre engine be changed so that unleaded e10 fuel can be used all the time?

No it's not the octane a problem it's the ethanol

I agree , ethanol damage all the rubber parts and the carb
The ethanol eats away at the rubber hoses, and any rubber diaphragm in any mechanical fuel pump. It also gently corrodes any brass, which is what most carburettor jets are made from. If your van has fuel injection, you'd probably just need to replace all the fuel hoses with ethanol resistant ones.


You can still use E10 in ancient engines just one little job to do first, remove the ethanol. Easily done. Plenty of utube vids.
Basically add water to the petrol (and water soluble food dye to make it easier to see) shake vigourously and allow to settle. The water takes the ethanol into solution, just pour into 2 separate containers. Bobs your mother brother, still possible without the food die. Ive had to do it for the lawnmower. For vehicles probably easier to buy E5.
I've seen quite a few of those videos, but none I've seen have explained what to do with the resultant ethanol/water mix. You can't put it down a drain, so what to do with it?
 
@portland_bill You can't put it down a drain, so what to do with it?
If you dont use dye save it for cleaning. A 50/50 mix of Ipa (propanol) is the best solvent for general purpose being both polar and organic solvents(used extensively in electronics industry). So ethanol/ water will have simular propeties. Save consumed chemicals and dispose of in same maner as other cleaning consumables.
 
With my interest in old horticultural machinery I've looked into this in some detail and come to the conclusion that running E5 is the best option. It's a wee bit more expensive but of little consequence unless you're using the machines commercially - unlikely as modern machines are more efficient. Interesting to note that you can't reverse the damage done if you use E10. So, just running a small amount of E10, especially if it's left in the system when the machine is put back in the shed, will do some damage and that damage, especially to thin rubber diaphragms as used in many pulse pump type horticultural carbs can't be reversed by then running E10 through it and may be enough to affect running. Prolonged use will introduce leeching and corrosion problems but the rubber parts will have disintegrated long before that. I just don't want to take the chance.
 
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