Alpine components ?

[Gav]

Has anyone had any experience with either the spr or sps alpine component speakers ?
Just wondering how they sound and if either or any good.

Cheers

Gav

 

[RR]

I have the sps in my Focus - they're very sharp when used with quality cabling and an Apline player, but make sure your terminals are all gold plated and bi-wire them if you can.

 

[Allan Wall]

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Alpine shoudl be good, but find somewhere liek halfords and listen to them first,

a lot of it is down to personal preference, and once you have them where you put them and where you put the tweeter will also make a surprising difference!

 

[Gav]

RR - What do you mean by bi-wire them ?

Gav

 

[RR]

Most modern speakers have 4 terminals, two positive and two negative. Of course, this involves 2 sets of speaker wire to be connected to the amp/player.

In essence, it splits the high and low frequencies from both sets of positive and negative terminal and the bass and treble elemenst are more evenly heard.

 

[RR]

This picture may help, but above all, use a high quality speaker cable; don't use that ****y bell-wire, otherwise you'll completely defeat the object. Go to a hifi specialist shop, Richer Sounds is a good starter - they're on line and you can order off the internet site.

If you're stuck, give ma a shout and I'll get the name of the cabling that I used; I think it was about £4 per metre off Ebay, but dont forget that you'll need double the lengths to bi-wire. I almost forgeot; you'll need to bi-wire all of your speakers to get the improved sound, not just the freon or rear pair alone.

Trust me, the difference is amazing and you'll hear sounds from your cd's that you've never heard before.

When I'd finished doing mine, I bought a new hifi amp and cd separates soon afterwards (Arcam Diva) with some Quad 11L speakers and the sound quality is amazing - the bi-wiring improves the clarity and tone ten fold. I will do in your car too!

TRUST ME ON THIS ONE!

 

[Anonymous]

that's strange..... I used the cabling Alpine supplied and sound quality is excellent, loads of clarity and earth shattering bass in equal measure. Using the hifi heavy stuff is a bit OTT........plus it must be a headache to route up and down the car. Alpine do high quality stuff and if they supply the cable as well which is appears half the size to the stuff in the pic then it must be ok.

 

[RR]

It's not strange, it's fact.

Whilst the Apline gear is high end, try bi-wiring and you'll hear a massive difference. Admitedly, it's a pain routing the cabling, but you (well not actually your good self) asked................

It worked for me. Took all bloody weekend to do though.

 

[lozz]

I'll second you on that RR it does make a lot of different, however not as much of a difference as soundproofing

Lozz

 

[RR]

Thank you, Lorenzo!

It's like everything else, you get what you pay for but how far do you go?

Personally, I love my music both at home and in the car, so I've bought high end Alpine for the former and Arcam for the latter.

The Alpine will be getting removed and replaced with the standard when it's time to change car again. I feel it will be soon!

 

[Anonymous]

i installed an Alpine sytem today,

CDA-9853 head unit and SPS-690A 6x9's

stereo is fantastic, installed that first while still had sony rears.

but alpine speakers just didnt work fullstop.

gotta go through the hass of sending them back

 

[ant]

How do you bi-wire at the head unit end?

 

[RR]

Exactly the same as at the speaker terminals, but don't cross over!

 

[Andy]

i have the alpine spr's (17 cm flavour) and they are superb, have them amped of a kicker amp and the sound level and quality is spot on, a whole lot of speaker for the money

Andy

the proud owner of patch, the multishaded Heraldic blue Bravo

 

[Ash]

@rr bi wiring to the same terminal on the speaker like you have done is pointless as its just two runs of cable to the same spaeker!!

to bi wire you would run a wire from your hu to the tweeter and one to the woofer!!! thats the same principal on home audio too!!

bi wireable home speakers have 4 connections on the back two go to the tweeter and 2 to the woofer like in the picture below!

the idea is to seperate the high and low freq's

Im Driven to Earn, and I Earn to Drive......

 

[RR]

@ Ash - I already know that and I emphasised the "splitting" of treble and bass as above.

Look inside your speakers and you will se that all terminals are connected internally, so it's immaterial as to how may external terminal there are.

If you're smart, you can get a splitter box (as I have) so the mid is split from the bass and the teble. Did you really think I have spent £2k on hifi and I don't know about b-wiring?

Don't be clever with me, especially where hi-fi is concerned.

 

[ryan]

i dont think he was trying to be clever RR, i think he was just pointing out his opinion and trying to help !!

 

[Ash]

my speakers have dual crossovers two wires go in to one crossover then off to the tweeter the other 2 go to the other crossover then to the mids. at no point are two signals crossed as for amping its on dual mono circuits with twin transistor power supplies so like i said the signals never cross i don't want to play mine is bigger than yours but 2k isn't really much to spend on separates these days. Basically if i disconnect the wire for the mid woofer the woofer will not work!

as for richer sounds in a few years they wont even be selling the kinda kit you will want to replace the acram! (they are pretty little league in the world of an audiophile! its fun to actually make them squirm with difficult questions )

Btw what amp is it in the diva range you have a65, a80, a90?

My mate is running an a90 coupled with the p90 on a set of jmlab chorus 726's sounds really really nice!

do you find the quads a little lacking on the low notes? i auditioned a set of 12l's and was really impressed with the midrange but eventually opted for floor standers to get that extra bit of extension and depth

like I said I don't want to get in a mine is bigger than yours match it just brings down the moral of the forum I was only making a point about the picture you posted. 

In car audio we tend to not bother with bi wiring from just one amp! The norm these days is to use a 3way inline active crossover on an 18 to 24db slope and amp each range e.g. an amp for the highs one for the mids and one for the lows this gives us the ability to have massive range for tuning to get over the acoustic issues of the cabin in the car.

In most cases we have to play about with phasing to alter and lift the image. If you want to question anything on car audio I suggest you become a member of talk audio and join the iasca or the emma as there is a huge wealth of information available form its members.

have a nice day and dont take this as an attack! if you want to talk about audio then im on msn and the above mentioned forums.

Im Driven to Earn, and I Earn to Drive......

 

[Paul R]

RR, this is just an observation so dont take offence...look at your speaker, you have bi wired to the same terminal.ie. you have done the same job twice, they arent seperate terminals...just a thought.

Paul

2xHLX owner,3xHGT owner now moved to the dark side Fiat Coupe 20vt

 

[RR]

1. I dont fall the Quad 11L's in anyway lacking, their performance is outstanding, as is their presentation.

2. The Arcam cd is the CD192

3. The amp is the A90

4. I didn't get either of then from Richer Sounds. I pointed out that Richer Sounds was a good, readily available oulet for speaker cables. I'm sure they'll be sh*tting themselves when they hear your prediction for their future.

5. The picture that I posted was one I found on the internet, not one of mine. If you'd read the earlier post, you would have know that I had Alpines in the car, not Pioneer's as in he picture. More attention to be paid in this respect.

6. 2K may not be much to spend in the league of top end hifi; I think it's an adequate amount to spend and is indicative of teh fact tha tyou know what you're talking about.

7. Here's something for you to think about.....

This is what you do; semi differentiate the crossed negative bipolar accentauted current from the semi trbbled quadrant of the muted demi-frequency which is derived at by diverting the third auxilliary mode drive option.

That's how helpful you were.

In he original post, the guy wanted help, not patronising. Maybe he shouldn't bother with bi-wiring after all, eh?

8. I almost forgot - can you help me out with my photography too please?

Not that I want to sound picky or suchlike, I hope you understand?