alloy wheel question and advice

[rsmallwo]

I'm planning on bidding for these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72254&item=7966702725&rd=1

I've asked the seller to get back to me with what offset they are and what the "centre" bore is.

I know the Bravo PCD is 4*98 ,Offset is 30..38,and C\Bore is 58.

If the offset or C\Bore isn't right what can i get to correct this and how much are they... and where from?

I know i will need wobbly bolts as the alloys are 4*100 but where can i get them from and how much are they?

If i wanted Locking Wobbly bolts again how much are they and where can i get then from?

Thanks for your Help

 

[Tom]

The wheel maker should be able to supply adapter rings to sort out the centre bore. (they are not plastic as some people claim)

Do a search for locking wobblies, I got mine from my local wheel shop.

 

[nico]

Interesting photoshop they did!

The wobblys (sliding head bolts) are about 3 quid each. A set of locking about 25-30. So long as the centre bore is greater then 58 you should be able to get spigot rings to suit, or else get some made. Still no guarantee wobblys will fit the alloy holes though.

I'll be in touch with Mototworlds UK Sales manager this week cos I'm complaining about their supply of these very same items. There are other suppliers including Halfords who can get them (via Rimstock). You need the correct bolt spec when ordering bolts and rings for your car and alloys repsectively.

Will rant more about Motorworld later

 

[Tom]

Re: Interesting photoshop they did!

Your own fault for going to motorworld

 

[BlackBravo]

Re: Interesting photoshop they did!

ChavWorld!

Pete





BravO 1.8 GT (Import)
T reg 1999
Abarth Kit, Leather, Power Flow Cat back,
JBL Sub, Crap amp!

 

[rsmallwo]

buying em second hand

i'd be bying them second hand and not through a supplier so won't come with adapters.

ebayer has come back to me saying they are an offset of 42 he thinks, do i need anything to compensate for this?


Thanks for your input

 

[Anonymous]

Re: buying em second hand

the offset should be stamped on you existing wheels. my hlx std alloys are ET40. I have other 4x98 17"x7 ET35 wheels for another Italian car and they do not fit the Bravo. Fitting a wheel with vastly different offset may make the car's handling unpredictable and certainly would enable an insurer to avoid any liability which would mean you would personally be liable.

I would AVOID wobbly bolts they are a fudge and shouldn't be allowed. There are nice alloys out there which CAN be got in genuine 4x98. bear in mind that with spacers, depending on their thickness, you probably won't be able to centre the wheel on the central spiggot as the spacer will have made it impossible to use unless you have an extention specially machined.

Wheels are really important. get it wrong and the results can be fatal.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: buying em second hand

also check out the regualtions selling part worn tyres. they have recently been reviewed and are very strict now. have had alook at the auction.

Ask the seller for the exact size of wheel and the offset which is stamped on the inside of the wheel after the wheel size. eg 17x7J H2-ET40
If you don't get a straight answer don't bid on them. I notice the seller doesn't say they are suitable for a Fiat or any Italian car. Why are you interested in them apart from them looking good in your opinion?

They seem rather expensive for what they are. You can get 4 wheels for not much more. At first he says they have been on his car, the tyres have lots of tread, then in answering a further question he says they are brand new and in original box and doesn't want to put them on said car for fear of marking them.

They don't seem suitable for a Fiat or a Bravo. Don't bid on them.

 

[[M.I.7]Bravo]

No one else has noticed then that these are a 5 bolt fitment?

Aint your FIAT only got 4 bolts?

 

[[M.I.7]Bravo]

Ah I see what he's done never mind...

I was just looking at the pic of them on the Rover & in that pics they have the 5 bolt fitment.

 

[rsmallwo]

hlx alloy's

my current hlx alloys are 6j-15h2-40

i assume this last "-40" is the offset, the ones i am looking at are 42.

i will ask the seller to read off what you have said.

many people on here say "wobbly bolts" are actually safer as they account for manafacturer error. I wouldn't know as cars aren't my "trade"

i like the design of these wheels and they are particularly rare and i have been trying to get them new but no one can get hold of them.

plus i won't be paying 400, i think 300 will be my max

thanks for your comments

 

[rsmallwo]

pics

I have pics of the wheels he has emailed me and they look brand new, can't see the code on them from the size of the pics.

they are defo 4 stud and the tyres aren't for sale, they are free with the wheels, it is the same price for not having the tyres.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: pics

i think you should also try to determin whether
this seller is a trader as you have considerably more cunsumer rights than as a private sale. He also has an obligation under the Trade Dscriptions Act 1968 to make this clear and also that avdverts are clear and fully represent the goods that are offered for sale. His ad seems somewhat confusing and does not seem to show what he genuinely has for sale.

I think steer well clear unless you can afford to lose £200+ like that for something which you later find is not what you thought or unsuitable. Then try and get your money back!!
Spend in haste, regret at leisure. There are better bargains around and I have seen these Mille Miglia wheels which you can get in 4x98. Just do some searching on Google.

Wobbly bolts are a bodge and are not as strong as the correct 4x98 fitments.

 

[rsmallwo]

ebayer has got back to me

ebayer has got back to me

he says the following:

"The details are as follows

Offset 42

The fitment is 4x100

I assume the centre bore is 56 as they fit my Rover 200 (see http://www.leightyres.co.uk/catalog/fitment.php)

Hope this helps

David"

Will these fit my fiat bravo hlx, what will i need to get them to fit and how much would it cost.

Thanks

 

[Anonymous]

Re: ebayer has got back to me

No as the Bravo bore size is 58 and the alloys your looking at are 56.

 

[rsmallwo]

hmmmmm

i was thinking that 56 would be too thin.

Can i get a second opinion off someone that 56 would be too small a bore for my bravo and theres no "cheap" way round it?

Thanks

 

[Tom]

Re: buying em second hand

"I would AVOID wobbly bolts they are a fudge and shouldn't be allowed"

Why? The wheel bolts just stop the wheel falling off, doesn't matter if they have fixed of floating collars, they both do the job equally well.

The bolts do not do any centering of the wheel on the hub, thats ENTIRELY the job of the centre bore. The bolts take very little of the suspension loads, most of that goes through the centre bore. This is why the CB is so critical.

All the bolts do is take the latteral loads (relatively small) and the wheel torque loads (again relatively small) so really wobblies are no worse.

Actually as quite a lot of cheap alloys have badly cut chamfers a wobbly would probably be better. An off centre chamfer will put abnormal twisting loads on a fixed collar bolt which could lead to it shearing off.

 

[Tom]

Re: hmmmmm

56 is too small. Simple as. They won't even go on the hubs.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: hmmmmm

Well the bore size is the size of the hole in the centre of the wheel.

THe Rover is 56.1 now the Bravo is 58.1so the whole is smaller on the Rover

Now the wheel aligns itself around the hub nut now if the wheel won't fit around it then it wont fit.

 

[rsmallwo]

cheers guys

cheers guys

i've flogged this horse till its dead

thanks again