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Karl
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CV Joint all fitted, but now need a ABS Sensor as i snapped it on removal.....
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Karl
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Ok so i fitted the CV Joint the other day and snapped the ABS Sensor.
I have now fitted a new Sensor and imediately see progession, the HB Light now fully goes out on release but will come back on 50yds down the Road... Because of this i now assume that all other sensors are working fine simply because whilst i had the wrong CV Joint fitted i had the HB Light on always!!!! i then fitted the correct CV but snapped the ABS hence the light staying on, since fitting the new ABS the light goes out meaning that all four sensors must be sending a signal to the ABS/EBD Controller Unit...
Sooooo i have bought a working ABS Pump Unit and hopfully it will be here on saturday fingers crossed thats it otherwise im going to buy another 3 sensors...
Do i need anything else for the rear other than sensors???
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UPDATE ON Progress
Ok so i fitted the CV Joint the other day and snapped the ABS Sensor.
I have now fitted a new Sensor and imediately see progession, the HB Light now fully goes out on release but will come back on 50yds down the Road... Because of this i now assume that all other sensors are working fine simply because whilst i had the wrong CV Joint fitted i had the HB Light on always!!!! i then fitted the correct CV but snapped the ABS hence the light staying on, since fitting the new ABS the light goes out meaning that all four sensors must be sending a signal to the ABS/EBD Controller Unit...
Sooooo i have bought a working ABS Pump Unit and hopfully it will be here on saturday fingers crossed thats it otherwise im going to buy another 3 sensors...
Do i need anything else for the rear other than sensors???
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Sven
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Nope, but the rear sensors are a bit tricky to change - they go under the rear seats where the connectors are.
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Karl
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Sven, is there nothing on the rear hub that enables the sensors to pickup a signal ie. some sort of magnetic ring when i last had the drums off i cleaned the hubs and there did appear to be an ring of some sort, hope i dont have to change them aswell it going to cost a fortune...
Do you think im correct in my assumption that the other sensors are in fact working.?
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Do you think im correct in my assumption that the other sensors are in fact working.?
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By the explanation that you gave, the sensors are OK, but cant be sure until you get the pump sorted out first.
And yes there is a ring that has a rubber coating on it on the rear hubs, but hardly its the problem if its intact - not missing a big chunk or something like that.
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And yes there is a ring that has a rubber coating on it on the rear hubs, but hardly its the problem if its intact - not missing a big chunk or something like that.
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Karl
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Thanks Sven, Pump will be fitted on Saturday\Sunday depending on its arrival.
I just hope it stops there as come March 24th im going to need the car.(Mrs's expected due date)
Can i ask does anyone know how or if you can change a car from having ABS Brakes to none ABS and get it through an MOT.
Thanks Karl
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I just hope it stops there as come March 24th im going to need the car.(Mrs's expected due date)
Can i ask does anyone know how or if you can change a car from having ABS Brakes to none ABS and get it through an MOT.
Thanks Karl
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Sven
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That I cant say, but I can say that the brakes work normally when the ABS light is on, just you have no ABS - its turned off.
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Im just thinking worse case senario, as the car will not pass MOT with the ABS light on, if i go and change all sensors and pump and still have the ABS light on surely its doesn't mean the end for my CAR.
Other than buying a new ABS pump from fiat which is no doubt £600+
Many thanks
Karl
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Other than buying a new ABS pump from fiat which is no doubt £600+
Many thanks
Karl
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Sven
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You can always fiscally turn off the warning lamp, dont know how they test the brakes in UK, but here they only measure the brake force and not the anti skid efficiency. So you would still have the ABS pump (physically) not working, no light on the dash and normal brakes.
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well there is not proper way of removing the abs from a car as when the mot chap puts your car details in it shows if its supposed to have it or not
as for the sensors if the abs light does not show anymore then the sensors seem to be working which would point to the ebd side of the pump i.e the ecu which is located on the top of the pump
i had the same with mine but both lights lit up after travelling 50 yards i changed the pump and all now seems ok.the ecu can show up all sorts of faults so until its changed you can't tell
if you got the pump from a car that didn't show any lights at all then i would say the pump is in full working order so when fitted to yours should allow the ebd light to go out.
the common cause for the pump fault is the ecu and the soldered circuits dry out or the built in relay dies there is a guide to fix this but only one type of unit.
but as there is a few about i would replace rather than try and repair
as you state both lights go out abs & ebd and then 50 yards down the road the ebd light comes back on but not the abs it may pass the mot as is as the abs light actually goes out and stays out ?????
it just means the ebd isn't working so this means the rear wheels may lock up under braking as there is no ebd to reduce braking to the rear wheels
hope this helps
cheers
ANDY
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as for the sensors if the abs light does not show anymore then the sensors seem to be working which would point to the ebd side of the pump i.e the ecu which is located on the top of the pump
i had the same with mine but both lights lit up after travelling 50 yards i changed the pump and all now seems ok.the ecu can show up all sorts of faults so until its changed you can't tell
if you got the pump from a car that didn't show any lights at all then i would say the pump is in full working order so when fitted to yours should allow the ebd light to go out.
the common cause for the pump fault is the ecu and the soldered circuits dry out or the built in relay dies there is a guide to fix this but only one type of unit.
but as there is a few about i would replace rather than try and repair
as you state both lights go out abs & ebd and then 50 yards down the road the ebd light comes back on but not the abs it may pass the mot as is as the abs light actually goes out and stays out ?????
it just means the ebd isn't working so this means the rear wheels may lock up under braking as there is no ebd to reduce braking to the rear wheels
hope this helps
cheers
ANDY
02 marea weekend 100sx
current mileage: 47050
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16" Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo Alloys In Black, Factory fit full set of marea mats,
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Poly headlights with HIDS & light covers, Clear Side Repeaters,
Sony MEX BT5000 bluetooth head unit and working marea steering wheel controls, Auxilary springs on the rear suspension
Marea ELX/HLX Colour coded handles,mirrors & Rear Curtesy Lights,all interior lights with leds,
Marea HLX Rear Disc Conversion & Front Bumper With Fogs,working headlight washers
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Karl
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Well the Mrs's just rung me and the PUMP has arrived to guess i'll be tackling that in the dark tonight....
Andy, cheers for your reply.. currently ABS is ON always, HB has now gone out but comes on 50yds down the road..
Im assuming that all sensors are working due to the fact that the HB light goes out, if one or more of the other sensors where broken then surely the HB light would remain lit as there would be no signal sent from the broken sensor as per my OS Front sensor which i broke when trying to fit the CV Joint.
Well i'll fit the PUMP tonight and see what happens... fingers crossed
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Andy, cheers for your reply.. currently ABS is ON always, HB has now gone out but comes on 50yds down the road..
Im assuming that all sensors are working due to the fact that the HB light goes out, if one or more of the other sensors where broken then surely the HB light would remain lit as there would be no signal sent from the broken sensor as per my OS Front sensor which i broke when trying to fit the CV Joint.
Well i'll fit the PUMP tonight and see what happens... fingers crossed
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andyb76
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no its the other way round the ebd is the handbrake light and the abs light comes on when a sensor fault or part pump fault
if both abs and ebd/handbrake lights are on then as mentioned its more than likely the pump but could also be a sensor but if a sensor goes then normally the abs light comes on on its own and not with the ebd light. the systems work together and independently if one has a fault the other should work unless its the ecu part of the pump and then it can cause both lights to come on
ANDY
02 marea weekend 100sx
current mileage: 47050
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mods so far:
16" Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo Alloys In Black, Factory fit full set of marea mats,
INXX Bonnet Lifters, Induction kit, Front Wind Deflecters,
Poly headlights with HIDS & light covers, Clear Side Repeaters,
Sony MEX BT5000 bluetooth head unit and working marea steering wheel controls, Auxilary springs on the rear suspension
Marea ELX/HLX Colour coded handles,mirrors & Rear Curtesy Lights,all interior lights with leds,
Marea HLX Rear Disc Conversion & Front Bumper With Fogs,working headlight washers
previously known as: andy_brava_elx
if both abs and ebd/handbrake lights are on then as mentioned its more than likely the pump but could also be a sensor but if a sensor goes then normally the abs light comes on on its own and not with the ebd light. the systems work together and independently if one has a fault the other should work unless its the ecu part of the pump and then it can cause both lights to come on
ANDY
02 marea weekend 100sx
current mileage: 47050
Bigger is much better
Members Page
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mods so far:
16" Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo Alloys In Black, Factory fit full set of marea mats,
INXX Bonnet Lifters, Induction kit, Front Wind Deflecters,
Poly headlights with HIDS & light covers, Clear Side Repeaters,
Sony MEX BT5000 bluetooth head unit and working marea steering wheel controls, Auxilary springs on the rear suspension
Marea ELX/HLX Colour coded handles,mirrors & Rear Curtesy Lights,all interior lights with leds,
Marea HLX Rear Disc Conversion & Front Bumper With Fogs,working headlight washers
previously known as: andy_brava_elx
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I would like to say thanks to everyone that has commented on this thread, as I have this problem it's a very good reference point.
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Well PUMP went on last night as far as i can tell the HB is staying out but unable to drive car last night as battery would not start the car.... the ABS light however stayed on so indicating a further fault... So on with buying another sensor think i'll go for the N/S front this time.
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andyb76
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the car needs to be driven at least 5 yards for the sensors to check themselves and do a self diagnostics you wont know until it has been moved thats the only way to reset the abs after a fault
so give a test drive before buying anymore sensors
if it can't be driven try jacking the car up and spinning each wheel and see if the light goes out (but not sure if this idea will work)
best to be driven
thats what i had to do after i had my pump replaced.
the abs self diagnotics are done on when the vehicle moves and within approx 10 yards of setting off
in an earlier post you said the h/b light goes out but came on when driven well in that time thats the abs doing the self test and when the lights come on thats when the test fails.
sign into msn and i'll give you my number or send me an email with yours and we can have a chat if you want
cheers
ANDY
02 marea weekend 100sx
current mileage: 47050
Bigger is much better
Members Page
http://www.fiatboo.co.uk/members/367andykent.htm
mods so far:
16" Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo Alloys In Black, Factory fit full set of marea mats,
INXX Bonnet Lifters, Induction kit, Front Wind Deflecters,
Poly headlights with HIDS & light covers, Clear Side Repeaters,
Sony MEX BT5000 bluetooth head unit and working marea steering wheel controls, Auxilary springs on the rear suspension
Marea ELX/HLX Colour coded handles,mirrors & Rear Curtesy Lights,all interior lights with leds,
Marea HLX Rear Disc Conversion & Front Bumper With Fogs,working headlight washers
previously known as: andy_brava_elx
so give a test drive before buying anymore sensors
if it can't be driven try jacking the car up and spinning each wheel and see if the light goes out (but not sure if this idea will work)
best to be driven
thats what i had to do after i had my pump replaced.
the abs self diagnotics are done on when the vehicle moves and within approx 10 yards of setting off
in an earlier post you said the h/b light goes out but came on when driven well in that time thats the abs doing the self test and when the lights come on thats when the test fails.
sign into msn and i'll give you my number or send me an email with yours and we can have a chat if you want
cheers
ANDY
02 marea weekend 100sx
current mileage: 47050
Bigger is much better
Members Page
http://www.fiatboo.co.uk/members/367andykent.htm
mods so far:
16" Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo Alloys In Black, Factory fit full set of marea mats,
INXX Bonnet Lifters, Induction kit, Front Wind Deflecters,
Poly headlights with HIDS & light covers, Clear Side Repeaters,
Sony MEX BT5000 bluetooth head unit and working marea steering wheel controls, Auxilary springs on the rear suspension
Marea ELX/HLX Colour coded handles,mirrors & Rear Curtesy Lights,all interior lights with leds,
Marea HLX Rear Disc Conversion & Front Bumper With Fogs,working headlight washers
previously known as: andy_brava_elx
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Sven
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Spinning one wheel at the time will just report an error.
EBD Fault = ABS + Hand brake, just hand brake is just hand brake.
ABS Fault = just ABS light.
Like Andy said - do a test drive and one other thing, the ABS light can come on when your battery is flat.
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EBD Fault = ABS + Hand brake, just hand brake is just hand brake.
ABS Fault = just ABS light.
Like Andy said - do a test drive and one other thing, the ABS light can come on when your battery is flat.
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UPDATE!!!
Ok well the car has been in the garage for over a week now and heres what has been done so far..
Car arrived at garage
1st diag - result was error codes as long as your arm.
Cleared all faults
2nd diag - performed active diag
Fault shown where ns/r sensor and os/f sensor
Bearing in mind that the os/f sensor is brand new from fiat i thought something must be wrong here, so mech swapped sensor from ns/f to os/f ran x2 diags and it appears the sensor bought from fiat is DOA...
Here's where the fun began, since last wednesday i have had to battle with Fiat to exchange the sensor for a new one they wanted to send it off for testing and make me pay another £45 for a new one... no no no me says so yesterday i goes to Fiat armed with a bit of info from Trading Standards and would you believe it they swapped it on the spot...
So as we stand last sensor going in today and fingers crossed for a clear active diag...
Thats x5 diags, x2 sensors, 1x ABS Pump/ECU, CV Joint. (Its going to be expensive me thinks)
And it still needs MOT/TAX yet
Ok well the car has been in the garage for over a week now and heres what has been done so far..
Car arrived at garage
1st diag - result was error codes as long as your arm.
Cleared all faults
2nd diag - performed active diag
Fault shown where ns/r sensor and os/f sensor
Bearing in mind that the os/f sensor is brand new from fiat i thought something must be wrong here, so mech swapped sensor from ns/f to os/f ran x2 diags and it appears the sensor bought from fiat is DOA...
Here's where the fun began, since last wednesday i have had to battle with Fiat to exchange the sensor for a new one they wanted to send it off for testing and make me pay another £45 for a new one... no no no me says so yesterday i goes to Fiat armed with a bit of info from Trading Standards and would you believe it they swapped it on the spot...
So as we stand last sensor going in today and fingers crossed for a clear active diag...
Thats x5 diags, x2 sensors, 1x ABS Pump/ECU, CV Joint. (Its going to be expensive me thinks)
And it still needs MOT/TAX yet