78k on a 57 plate

[DRUE1]

78k on a 57 plate punto 1.9tdi is that alot of miles for such a newish motor because i have a evo 6 2001 plate with less miles
what do you guys think ok or not

cheers stewart

 

[Liquid Knight]

It'll be 28K by the time it makes it back on a forecourt.

We have a 59 reg Corsa company car with 132k on the clock and that's not the highest by far.

 

[DRUE1]

ive found a 06 plate with 38k which for £200 more i will get that so im going to have a look tomorrow and see what its like

 

[Didge3]

My driving instructors car was a 61 plate (2010) and had 140k miles on it when I was learning.

 

[austenw90]

My driving instructors car was a 61 plate (2010) and had 140k miles on it when I was learning.

Did the instructor have a life or a wife (assuming they are male)? Did they have a sleeping bag on the back seat?

When did you pass your test?

 

[Ziggy122]

the average now adays is 12 to 15k a year

So a 57 is a 2007
2012 - 2007 = 5 years
5 * 12k = 60k
5 * 15 = 75k

78k tbh isn't much more, as long as the car is still tight to drive then i wouldnt worry

Cars are getting higher and higher milage now, soo many you see with over 100k on the clock

Ziggy

 

[PuntoHowTo]

My driving instructors car was a 61 plate (2010) and had 140k miles on it when I was learning.

61 came out September 2011 so less than a year old even now, I think you've got something wrong there, also a good driving instructor tends not to do huge miles because 1 they often lease the car so wouldn't let it get to 140k without changing it. Or 2 own the car which is usually a bit older and depend on being able to sell it to buy the next one, finally 3 they usually balance lessons 50-50 driving and stopped parked, instruction

And to put the final nail in the coffin of your claim 140,000 miles since last September would be over 460 miles a day which would mean driving for 7 hours a day at 70mph every single day since he picked it up from the dealer

So no your driving instructor doesn't have a 61 plate with 140k on the clock

As for the original post I wouldn't touch any 1.9 diesel engined fiat with 78k on the clock unless it included an invoice for a shiny new duel mass flywheel (DMF) or a guarantee it didn't have a DMF because they go at about 80-85k and cost a staggering £700 including labour to replace

 

[austenw90]

61 came out September 2011 so less than a year old even now, I think you've got something wrong there, also a good driving instructor tends not to do huge miles because 1 they often lease the car so wouldn't let it get to 140k without changing it. Or 2 own the car which is usually a bit older and depend on being able to sell it to buy the next one, finally 3 they usually balance lessons 50-50 driving and stopped parked, instruction

And to put the final nail in the coffin of your claim 140,000 miles since last September would be over 460 miles a day which would mean driving for 7 hours a day at 70mph every single day since he picked it up from the dealer

So no your driving instructor doesn't have a 61 plate with 140k on the clock

As for the original post I wouldn't touch any 1.9 diesel engined fiat with 78k on the clock unless it included an invoice for a shiny new duel mass flywheel (DMF) or a guarantee it didn't have a DMF because they go at about 80-85k and cost a staggering £700 including labour to replace

Are these DMF's in all diesel's or just the 1.9? Never heard of them before until typing into Google just now.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

Are these DMF's in all diesel's or just the 1.9? Never heard of them before until typing into Google just now.

Most larger diesel engined cars have them as they take the 'shock' out of the transmission and reduce engine noise I think many of the 1.3 diesel fiats don't have them due to the smaller engine being not as harsh and costing less meaning its not worth the initial investment from fiat to fit them

 

[Didge3]

61 came out September 2011 so less than a year old even now, I think you've got something wrong there, also a good driving instructor tends not to do huge miles because 1 they often lease the car so wouldn't let it get to 140k without changing it. Or 2 own the car which is usually a bit older and depend on being able to sell it to buy the next one, finally 3 they usually balance lessons 50-50 driving and stopped parked, instruction

And to put the final nail in the coffin of your claim 140,000 miles since last September would be over 460 miles a day which would mean driving for 7 hours a day at 70mph every single day since he picked it up from the dealer

So no your driving instructor doesn't have a 61 plate with 140k on the clock

As for the original post I wouldn't touch any 1.9 diesel engined fiat with 78k on the clock unless it included an invoice for a shiny new duel mass flywheel (DMF) or a guarantee it didn't have a DMF because they go at about 80-85k and cost a staggering £700 including labour to replace

I meant 60 plate 2010, or 10? I'm not sure how the newer system works for number plates after '59. I can assure you it did have 140k, I was shocked when I saw.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

I meant 60 plate 2010, or 10? I'm not sure how the newer system works for number plates after '59. I can assure you it did have 140k, I was shocked when I saw.

that would still require him to be doing 210 miles every single day since the day he collected the car and thats assuming you saw 140k on the clock today!

that would mean at least 3 hrs a day at a 70mph average!!! it really isn't possible for an instructor to do that many miles

as an example this is a list of uk driving instructors cars one is an october 2010 60plate and thats only on 68k which compared to all the others is pretty high, most are around 2008-09 and only on 60k

how long ago was it you saw the 140k number? when did you pass your test?

 

[Didge3]

that would still require him to be doing 210 miles every single day since the day he collected the car and thats assuming you saw 140k on the clock today!

that would mean at least 3 hrs a day at a 70mph average!!! it really isn't possible for an instructor to do that many miles

as an example this is a list of uk driving instructors cars one is an october 2010 60plate and thats only on 68k which compared to all the others is pretty high, most are around 2008-09 and only on 60k

how long ago was it you saw the 140k number? when did you pass your test?

My instructor was a woman. So I last got in her car about 3 weeks ago.
Unless something was actually wrong with the car it read (strictly speaking something around 136k I can't remember off the top of my head). It was a Hyundai i30, unless the display thing had been changed to km or something (quite possible as I can do this in my Punto)

 

[ysidfa]

In referwnce to OP, my Mates got a 09 Grande GP 1.3mjet with 90k miles. He's the only owner!

 

[rubadub80]

Most larger diesel engined cars have them as they take the 'shock' out of the transmission and reduce engine noise I think many of the 1.3 diesel fiats don't have them due to the smaller engine being not as harsh and costing less meaning its not worth the initial investment from fiat to fit them

DMF's have been used in the majority of Diesel's and even petrol's for about the last 15 yrs. My old Brava JTD which my parents now drive has one, and thats a 2001 Y plate.
I would seriously doubt the 1.3 engine didn't have one. It's not fitted to eliminate "harshness" it greatly reduces vibration - a characteristic of the diesel engine.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

DMF's have been used in the majority of Diesel's and even petrol's for about the last 15 yrs. My old Brava JTD which my parents now drive has one, and thats a 2001 Y plate.

they have in deed been used for a number of years but only really since the common rail technology became, well err common. the 2001 mondeo used to have one especially designed to break about a month out of warrantee at a cost of £1000.

I would seriously doubt the 1.3 engine didn't have one.

well mine doesn't

not fitted to eliminate "harshness" it greatly reduces vibration - a characteristic of the diesel engine.

vibration harshness call it what you like, I've heard it even referred to as 'shock and 'transmission shock' all the same thing different words, most diesels are comparable to a bag of spanners thrown in a washing machine, the idea of the DMF is to minimise this 'Harshness' transferring into the cabin and transmission. their is a little more to it than vibration.

Fiat don't seem to fit them to their vans which is where you go if you want to ditch the DMF for a solid one. ford still try and fit them to everything your 2001 Brava was probably pretty much one of the first cars to have one fitted.
they are a lot more common yes but they are sill not in every car as they are very expensive unnecessary and a warrantee nightmare

 

[payney1]

78k on a 57 plate punto 1.9tdi is that alot of miles for such a newish motor because i have a evo 6 2001 plate with less miles
what do you guys think ok or not

cheers stewart

It's not that many miles for a diesel, the engines are quite good on these and quiet(ish) compared with some other diesel engines, the only thing that went on my engine was the EGR valve, which was sorted at about 26K and had no further problems after that.

My Mjet 1.9 had about 79.6K on the clock before trading it in.

The biggest problem with these is the gearbox, in that it uses the dreaded M32 gearbox, which i would be more worried about than the engine to be honest, they're like paper mache.

My gearbox was starting to wine in 5th / 6th and it was starting to judder in reverse and first

For a reconditioned gearbox with fitting + replacing the clutch whilst the box is out you are looking in excess of about £1500 but that's from a gearbox specialist company, but you can pick up recon box's on ebay for about £750 but they normally ask for your old gearbox in exchange.

Some Vauxhall's also use this box too, the astra 1.9 in particular, and my mates car was no exception, he had to have his replaced.

Apart from that they are quite good cars, i owned mine for just over 4 years without too many problems, never off the road and used almost every day, picked it up with 6K on the clock.

Out of interest how much is the car advertised for?

Neil

 

[austenw90]

It's not that many miles for a diesel, the engines are quite good on these and quiet(ish) compared with some other diesel engines, the only thing that went on my engine was the EGR valve, which was sorted at about 26K and had no further problems after that.

My Mjet 1.9 had about 79.6K on the clock before trading it in.

The biggest problem with these is the gearbox, in that it uses the dreaded M32 gearbox, which i would be more worried about than the engine to be honest, they're like paper mache.

My gearbox was starting to wine in 5th / 6th and it was starting to judder in reverse and first

For a reconditioned gearbox with fitting + replacing the clutch whilst the box is out you are looking in excess of about £1500 but that's from a gearbox specialist company, but you can pick up recon box's on ebay for about £750 but they normally ask for your old gearbox in exchange.

Some Vauxhall's also use this box too, the astra 1.9 in particular, and my mates car was no exception, he had to have his replaced.

Apart from that they are quite good cars, i owned mine for just over 4 years without too many problems, never off the road and used almost every day, picked it up with 6K on the clock.

Out of interest how much is the car advertised for?

Neil

Is the same gearbox used in the 2.0 Mjet?

 

[TuX]

For 4 years old either get a low mileage one, or a high one.

Mine's an 08 on 80k, but to get that mileage genuinely that's a long motorway commute every day.

With a diesel and good servicing history that's probably better than 10k car that does short journeys occasionally