General 2011 500 issues!!!!

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General 2011 500 issues!!!!

Baglady1990

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After having my rad replaced car ran fine for a while ? at the garage today &...... I need a new CAR ?[emoji23]? fuel injector..... spark leads as they fused to plugs ? my tubes are full of mayo ... yellow gunge!! They look like a 95 yr old who has smoked since birth!!! And to top it all off ......... looks like my head gasket gone!!!?[emoji23]?[emoji23]? I bought this car on Oct 2nd [emoji23]?[emoji23] they say I have a warranty [emoji23]?[emoji23] but they want me to get the car recovered to them ...?[emoji817] like I WOULD TRUST that they would do the job & properly ????[emoji106] I’m actually not angry or upset!! I’m just relieved that FINALLY i know what’s up & that I can get it fixed!! Expensive I know but I do not trust that dealership..... if your gonna sell a car in that condition.... your not gonna be honest with the fix!!
 
I'm sorry to hear you've got yet more problems.

Sadly all of this is exactly what is likely to happen if a FIRE engine is ever run low on coolant.

It would not surprise me to learn that this engine had overheated in the past, been patched up and then traded in/sold on. Unfortunately you've inherited the problem.

The difficult bit is advising you what to do next. I'd like to see the selling garage taking some responsibility here, but unless you bought it from a franchised main FIAT dealer, I think it will be difficult, frustrating and time consuming to get any real satisfaction from them. If you did buy from a franchised main dealer, then FIAT Customer Service is your next point of contact.

IMO you should be looking at a solution which leaves you not owning this car; whatever is done now, I think it's going to be a real lemon from here on. Pragmatically, you might consider selling it "as is", and putting whatever you get (which could be more than you might think) toward something else and starting again. Perhaps a brand new car on a PCP. The 500 has historically been a good car to run on a PCP, since high residuals have kept monthly payments low.

Don't enter into any agreement which runs for longer than the warranty on the car.

Anyone contemplating rebuilding a seriously overheated FIRE would probably do better to source a secondhand engine; they can sell for less than you might think, and IIRC @typecastboy actually threw one away after selling the other stuff of value on the car.

I've said this frequently, but IMO unless you're a highly competent home mechanic, if you can't afford the payments on a new one, you likely won't be able to afford the bills (and depreciation) that come with a used one.

And good luck; I hope you do find the best outcome possible. I'm sure all of us here will do what we can to help, and we'll be alongside you on your journey, whatever course of action you choose to take.
 
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I'm sorry to hear you've got yet more problems.

Sadly all of this is exactly what is likely to happen if a FIRE engine is ever run low on coolant.

It would not surprise me to learn that this engine had overheated in the past, been patched up and then traded in/sold on. Unfortunately you've inherited the problem.

The difficult bit is advising you what to do next. I'd like to see the selling garage taking some responsibility here, but unless you bought it from a franchised main FIAT dealer, I think it will be difficult, frustrating and time consuming to get any real satisfaction from them. If you did buy from a franchised main dealer, then FIAT Customer Service is your next point of contact.

IMO you should be looking at a solution which leaves you not owning this car; whatever is done now, I think it's going to be a real lemon from here on. Pragmatically, you might consider selling it "as is", and putting whatever you get (which could be more than you might think) toward something else and starting again. Perhaps a brand new car on a PCP. The 500 has historically been a good car to run on a PCP, since high residuals have kept monthly payments low.

Don't enter into any agreement which runs for longer than the warranty on the car.

Anyone contemplating rebuilding a seriously overheated FIRE would probably do better to source a secondhand engine; they can sell for less than you might think, and IIRC @typecastboy actually threw one away after selling the other stuff of value on the car.

I've said this frequently, but IMO unless you're a highly competent home mechanic, if you can't afford the payments on a new one, you likely won't be able to afford the bills (and depreciation) that come with a used one.

And good luck; I hope you do find the best outcome possible. I'm sure all of us here will do what we can to help, and we'll be alongside you on your journey, whatever course of action you choose to take.



I’ve just thrown away another 40k miles engine and gearbox too.
 
I'm sorry to hear you've got yet more problems.

Sadly all of this is exactly what is likely to happen if a FIRE engine is ever run low on coolant.

It would not surprise me to learn that this engine had overheated in the past, been patched up and then traded in/sold on. Unfortunately you've inherited the problem.

The difficult bit is advising you what to do next. I'd like to see the selling garage taking some responsibility here, but unless you bought it from a franchised main FIAT dealer, I think it will be difficult, frustrating and time consuming to get any real satisfaction from them. If you did buy from a franchised main dealer, then FIAT Customer Service is your next point of contact.

IMO you should be looking at a solution which leaves you not owning this car; whatever is done now, I think it's going to be a real lemon from here on. Pragmatically, you might consider selling it "as is", and putting whatever you get (which could be more than you might think) toward something else and starting again. Perhaps a brand new car on a PCP. The 500 has historically been a good car to run on a PCP, since high residuals have kept monthly payments low.

Don't enter into any agreement which runs for longer than the warranty on the car.

Anyone contemplating rebuilding a seriously overheated FIRE would probably do better to source a secondhand engine; they can sell for less than you might think, and IIRC @typecastboy actually threw one away after selling the other stuff of value on the car.

I've said this frequently, but IMO unless you're a highly competent home mechanic, if you can't afford the payments on a new one, you likely won't be able to afford the bills (and depreciation) that come with a used one.

And good luck; I hope you do find the best outcome possible. I'm sure all of us here will do what we can to help, and we'll be alongside you on your journey, whatever course of action you choose to take.



I’m gonna just carry on with my car and see how I get on my garage is on with the repair he is going to use some sealer on the gasket... he did explain regarding this but I’ll know more tomorrow..... I’m not sure if the engine has been damaged to the extent you mentioned as the mechanic was pretty sure it will be ok .. if I do need to replace the gasket then I guess that’s what I’ll do I love my car .... if I had won millions on the lottery..... this is the car I would have bought .... I just hope the upkeep won’t cost as much as this!
 
My reply sounded so patronising I’m sorry

You're forgiven; your reply is understandable given the circumstances and I'm sure you have the sympathy and understanding of a lot of folks on here. This isn't a great situation to be in.

how much would you expect to pay for fitting of head gasket?? I’m sure I’ve been quoted too much

If you want it done properly, it won't be cheap. This is a job that requires expertise, care and skill. The obvious risk is that you could end up paying a high price for poor quality work; high cost does not necessarily mean high quality. The opposite is rarely true; it's highly unlikely you'll get a high quality job at a low cost.

If it's overheated sufficiently for the HG to fail, chances are that either or both the head and cylinder block will have warped. They need to be properly checked, and may need either skimming or replacing. The later 1.2's are high compression engines and there isn't much spare material to skim, so any significant warping will mean a replacement head is needed; if sourced new, it won't be cheap.

Given the availability and low cost of decent secondhand engines, personally I'd investigate that route before trying to repair yours.

I'm sorry if this comes across as unhelpful or negative, but I've too much experience of cars which have had HG replacements and then gone on to be a shedload of trouble for the rest of the engine's life. Personally I wouldn't want to keep a seriously overheated and repaired FIRE engine.

Sadly I think you may have got this right with your first post:

I need a new CAR!
 
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This group where got my Panda from. Offer on new 500 1.2 Lounge £165 month and £165 deposit. On a 4 year deal though. http://www.richardhardie.co.uk/

Got until end of December. PM me reg and mileage and can give you rough idea of part ex value for yours. Hope get happy ending to all this. ;)
 
he is going to use some sealer on the gasket...

Oh dear, really? That statement makes me sad, as if mine, I'd take it elsewhere after such a remark.
The gasket is designed to be fitted and teh head fitted straight away, and they sort of fuse together. The gasket must not be removed from its sealed packaging until ready to fit the head.

No idea what sort of 'sealer' he intends to use, but this is not a good idea. If head and block faces are fine, a new gasket will be fine without any 'help'. Head and block do not distort as easily as people think. Whilst many people will skim a head every time it is disturbed, this is rarely necessary.
 
Oh dear, really? That statement makes me sad, as if mine, I'd take it elsewhere after such a remark.

The gasket is designed to be fitted and teh head fitted straight away, and they sort of fuse together. The gasket must not be removed from its sealed packaging until ready to fit the head.



No idea what sort of 'sealer' he intends to use, but this is not a good idea. If head and block faces are fine, a new gasket will be fine without any 'help'. Head and block do not distort as easily as people think. Whilst many people will skim a head every time it is disturbed, this is rarely necessary.



Some expanding foam from B&Q all the way round the edge will do it
 
IMG_2179.JPG if this doesn’t work and it goes again ..... it’s going back to the seller!!
 
View attachment 204754 if this doesn’t work and it goes again ..... it’s going back to the seller!!



Aargh! the exact same product :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

So the selling garage think they can walk away from this problem by pouring a can of snake oil into the cooling system.

This WILL wreck your engine (if indeed it isn't already wrecked).

It may work for a few days, or a few weeks, or even a few months... but I predict this is going to end in tears.

if this doesn’t work and it goes again ..... it’s going back to the seller!!

A few weeks from now and they won't want to know; they're only interested in pushing the problem sufficiently far into the future to give them plausible deniability if you try to claim against them.
 

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It’s disgusting how they have been with me I paid a fortune for this car and I only got it October 2nd but at the end of the day what can I do!?! I’ll run it till it goes and then I’ll have to invest in another car!!
 
It may not be weeks [emoji23] only days!! Who knows this is [emoji817] a cautionary tale for anyone buying a car!! I have learned a valuable lesson with this one!!!
 
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