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Hi all

im a new member here, well kind of. anyway i am putting either a 1.6 16v engine from a bravo or a 1.6 t delta engine into my uno and would like to know has anybody done or even heard of this being done. any info is much appreciated.

also i came across this on youtube. a 4wd uno.

anybody know how this was done, ie what running gear was used etc...
 
Never heard of a 16v 1.6 Bravo engined Uno, but the Lancia 1.5 (or 1.6?) Turbo engine has been fitted (Europe got a normally aspirated 1.5 Uno - the '75' model). Thus the easiest big capacity engine to fit is the 1.5 litre engine from an X1/9, Fiat Strada/ Regatta or Lancia Delta. You should also be able to fit the 1.6 version of this engine as fitted to the Tipo and early Puntos. If you have a 1116/ 1299/ 1301cc Uno the 1.5 (and possibly 1.6) is almost a straight swap and will use the original engine mounts and Uno gearbox.

You can fit any engine into a car if you have enough money and/ or resources. 2.0 litre Japanese turbo engines have been fitted to Unos but that does require extensive work and fabrication. If you want approx. 150bhp then stick with a 1.3 Uno Turbo lump.

Basically big engine swaps all depend on how big your pockets and garage are!
 
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Never heard of a 16v 1.6 Bravo engined Uno, but the Lancia 1.5 (or 1.6?) Turbo engine has been fitted (Europe got a normally aspirated 1.5 Uno - the '75' model). Thus the easiest big capacity engine to fit is the 1.5 litre engine from an X1/9, Fiat Strada/ Regatta or Lancia Delta. You should also be able to fit the 1.6 version of this engine as fitted to the Tipo and early Puntos. If you have a 1116/ 1299/ 1301cc Uno the 1.5 (and possibly 1.6) is almost a straight swap and will use the original engine mounts and Uno gearbox.

You can fit any engine into a car if you have enough money and/ or resources. 2.0 litre Japanese turbo engines have been fitted to Unos but that does require extensive work and fabrication. If you want approx. 150bhp then stick with a 1.3 Uno Turbo lump.

Basically big engine swaps all depend on how big your pockets and garage are!


Thanks for the info dude but i already know the sohc 1.5 and 1.6 engines fit.
i wanted to know if anybody has put a dohc 1.6 ( alfa lancia or fiat ) into an uno, i know it will fit i just wanted to see if anybody has any tips for me.

luckily my familys been main fiat dealers for well over 35 years so i have all garage space i need. and convienently the wholesale parts aswell :):):)
 
Thanks for the info dude but i already know the sohc 1.5 and 1.6 engines fit.
i wanted to know if anybody has put a dohc 1.6 ( alfa lancia or fiat ) into an uno, i know it will fit i just wanted to see if anybody has any tips for me.

luckily my familys been main fiat dealers for well over 35 years so i have all garage space i need. and convienently the wholesale parts aswell :):):)

I've seen a half finished 1.6 twin cam Lancia engined Uno on Ebay but I know no more about it unfortunately. Thing is, what are you after? A well sorted UT will give more power than a 1.6 twin cam for not much money. As said, an overboosted UT with some choice mods will quite easily hit 150bhp. I don't know anything about the 1.6 Lancia twin cam, but assume that to get 150bhp in normally aspirated form would require almost a race tune.

You also have to factor in the weight of the engine as I suspect the twin cam 1.6 is heavier than a UT lump. If you want to make the car handle well the last thing you want is a heavier engine up front! Either way I wish you luck with the project as it certainly sounds like it could be fun and make an interesting car (y)
 
I've seen a half finished 1.6 twin cam Lancia engined Uno on Ebay but I know no more about it unfortunately. Thing is, what are you after? A well sorted UT will give more power than a 1.6 twin cam for not much money. As said, an overboosted UT with some choice mods will quite easily hit 150bhp. I don't know anything about the 1.6 Lancia twin cam, but assume that to get 150bhp in normally aspirated form would require almost a race tune.

You also have to factor in the weight of the engine as I suspect the twin cam 1.6 is heavier than a UT lump. If you want to make the car handle well the last thing you want is a heavier engine up front! Either way I wish you luck with the project as it certainly sounds like it could be fun and make an interesting car (y)


race tuned??? ( wondering if he knows what that is )dude the delta 1.6 isnt n/a its a turbo'd engine puttin out 130bhp and 145ib/s torque, a bit easier to get to 150 then. its also only 14kg heavier than the ut.
in a nutshell im going for something different, im not going to do the ut route just because its easier and cheaper, its just not challenging. if i did it would be pretty much the same as every other ut there is. i dont know why most ppl modify their car but i do it so i can drive something that knowone else or very few people have, something unique
 
race tuned??? ( wondering if he knows what that is )dude the delta 1.6 isnt n/a its a turbo'd engine puttin out 130bhp and 145ib/s torque, a bit easier to get to 150 then. its also only 14kg heavier than the ut.

You didn't specify the Delta 1.6 turbo engine, you said:

i wanted to know if anybody has put a dohc 1.6 ( alfa lancia or fiat ) into an uno

Thus I took it that you meant the n/a 1.6 dohc engine(s) as fitted to many Lancias, Fiats and Alfas and my response to you was based on this information. A n/a dohc 1.6 will still need a stage 2 or 3 (race) tune to get to the sort of power a 1.3 UT can reach with just a few cheap mods.

And remember, I was trying to help and offer you information that I know about.
 
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You didn't specify the Delta 1.6 turbo engine, you said:



Thus I took it that you meant the n/a 1.6 dohc engine(s) as fitted to many Lancias, Fiats and Alfas and my response to you was based on this information. A n/a dohc 1.6 will still need a stage 2 or 3 (race) tune to get to the sort of power a 1.3 UT can reach with just a few cheap mods.

And remember, I was trying to help and offer you information that I know about.

fair enough but i never asked about the 1.3 did i... if i wanted info on that ( which i didnt and wouldnt have needed ) i would have asked.

look mate i know you were only trying to help but its the same on just about every forum, if knobody has any helpful info on the topic at hand they nearly alway try and bring you down a different route... how did you think what you said would be helpful, if i was askin about a 1.6 engine conversion it would be fairly obvious that i would have already thought about an uno turbo and decided against it... why else would i have inquired about a 1.6 in the first place???
 
Hi...

Just wanted to add my two cents...

I have a question...

Is anyone else getting sick of new members to the forum who demand free advice, then insult the people who freely offer it? Along with mk1uno and now this guy, thats two in as many weeks...

This forum is full of excellent people who share some great ideas. Sure we dont have all the answers, and sometimes we might even be wrong. But at least we all give it a shot and share our experiences.

On a more positive side coleio, you appear to be a very knowledgeable guy so I expect it will be great to have you on the forum... but please play nice (you tend to get better results that way).


On the topic. I have a 1.6 SOHC in my uno and in terms of bang for buck you cant beat it. Since you have a FIAT dealership at your disposal I guess you could try anything you like.
Any other engine will require new engine mounts, cutting and welding. So you dont really need to focus on just FIAT engines as pretty much any engine will require the same work... why not put in a VTEC or something like that.

I know a guy whos fitted a yamaha motorcycle engine into his bambina (he calls it the Yambina, and its all painted up like Valentino Rossi's bike... looks great).


But whatever you decide to do, make sure you share your experiences as thats what makes this forum the valuable resource it is.
 
alright lads sometimes i get a bit short tempered sorry...
ill try not too let it happen again

ye i had thought about putting non fiat group engines uch as vtec but decided against it. i want to keep it 100% italian.
im starting to get worried though because theres a crashed 1.8 tempra out the back thats starting to put ideas into my head, it means i already have the two doner cars in my possession for virtually nothing
 
Hello coleio, welcome :wave:

alright lads sometimes i get a bit short tempered sorry...
ill try not too let it happen again

ye i had thought about putting non fiat group engines uch as vtec but decided against it. i want to keep it 100% italian.
im starting to get worried though because theres a crashed 1.8 tempra out the back thats starting to put ideas into my head, it means i already have the two doner cars in my possession for virtually nothing

Aha!
I think that it's all beginning to make more sense, now that you've given us more information :)

In fairness to 1986Uno45S, I don't think you'd told us what you already knew - it's hard to guess what someone knows... I think we're all a bit clearer on that now!

One reason why people stick with the easily-fitted single-overhead-cam motors - the result either 'flies below the radar' as far as modifications go (i.e. can be registered as an Uno Turbo), or it's going to be easy to get the modifications certified (for insurance, road-legality etc.) Once you start making mounts and cutting chassis rails, you get into a more difficult world for certification.

I think an easier option is to get a Tipo with either the 1.8 or 2.0 twin-cam engine, and upgrade that. I know SteveNZ created a turbo-Tipo using a Croma Turbo engine. The engine was older than the car, but the result was pretty swift - more power than most Uno Turbos. But, not more power than the most powerful Uno Turbos. Doesn't it come down to how much money you want to spend and how much power you want?

Perhaps you just want to put the standard 1.8 Tempra engine into an Uno - that would be a nice car to drive. I reckon it's not all about the power - personally I'm impressed by things like driveability, economy, etc. Again, how much power did you want?

So, perhaps the first practical step is to marry up the twin-cam engine to the Mk2 70SX gearbox (or Uno Turbo late Mk1 or Mk2 gearbox - that is the strongest type). That way, you won't need to change driveshafts. I don't think you've mentioned yet which Uno model you're working with?

Though, the engine management system of the Tempra may depend on counting the flywheel teeth. Does the flywheel fit within the bellhousing of the Uno gearbox? If not, maybe it is easier to use the gearbox from the Tempra.

So really I guess I'm yet another unhelpful person for you :D - but have you seen the thread https://www.fiatforum.com/uno/165226-some-pictures-my-new-engine.html?p=1761781 ? Perhaps a private message or two may get a little more detail on the forum about the installation?

Have you also tried a search such as this one for "twin cam": https://www.fiatforum.com/search.php?searchid=2862838 ?

Anyway, we'll all be interested to see how your project goes, whatever you decide, and you'll make the forum that much more useful for the next person who wants to put a twin-cam into an Uno (y)

-Alex
 
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oh yeah its 1 1990 uno 45, cost me nothing so i thought why not. in a perfect world i would like to use the 1.6 t-spark from the 147, their 120 std and are a strong and lighter engine, problem is id have to fork out 3g for one.
yeah i would be using its own gearbox and just mix and match the driveshafts...
power wise im looking for in or abouts the region of 240bhp. i know i could get the figures easier and cheaper ( my brother has a 243bhp punto gt ) but i think this makes it interesting and when finished i think it would feel so much more rewarding.

and on the other end what does everybody think of this
http://www.hoermann-motorsport.de/index.php?link=artikel&artnr=90 946 021-Heck&katid=190&spid=1

its my favorite kit for the uno.
 
power wise im looking for in or abouts the region of 240bhp. i know i could get the figures easier and cheaper ( my brother has a 243bhp punto gt ) but i think this makes it interesting and when finished i think it would feel so much more rewarding.

Out of curiosity, has your brother's 243bhp Punto GT been on a rolling road to show those figures? Any print outs/ graphs we can see? What mods were done to it to get to 243bhp? That's a lot of power, even from a 1.4 turbo engine (unless it has had a bigger engine fitted), and it surely can't be very driveable for daily use? Has it done any official drag runs with recorded ET's/ terminal speeds? More detailed info. please!


Regarding your intended project, you can help us to help you by answering a few questions:

1. How much money do you have to spend on this project?

2. What projects of this scale have you done previously?

3. Which engine are you going to use?

4. If you use an engine like the 1.8 Tempra, what modifications are you expecting to do for it to make 240bhp?

5. What engine management system will you be using for the engine?

6. What modifications are you going to do to the Uno 45's suspension? Are you going to do anything to the chassis to beef it up?

7. What are you going to do to upgrade the brakes?

8. What facilities/ equipment do you have available to you to carry out the work? Can you weld and fabricate parts?

If you can answer these for us we can then all use our collective knowledge to give you advice and get this project off the ground. :)
 
the hf turbo engine is a good idea and reliable to be fair had mine on the rollers and she maid 207bhp:devil: and iv had it 3 yrs not any massive prolems just stuff like split vac hoses etc easy to tune to

mild remap
exhaust
samcos
and a t2 turbo with 360 bearing and cut bk inpelars runing 1.2 bar boost
lightend and balanced flywheel

if you need any info on these engine let me no and i have couple in my garage to ;)

to be honist you dont wont much over 200bhp my delta is ok but its heavy my mate had a gt at 212bhp and that was barly drivable (n)


cheers luke
 
Out of curiosity, has your brother's 243bhp Punto GT been on a rolling road to show those figures? Any print outs/ graphs we can see? What mods were done to it to get to 243bhp? That's a lot of power, even from a 1.4 turbo engine (unless it has had a bigger engine fitted), and it surely can't be very driveable for daily use? Has it done any official drag runs with recorded ET's/ terminal speeds? More detailed info. please!


Regarding your intended project, you can help us to help you by answering a few questions:

1. How much money do you have to spend on this project?

2. What projects of this scale have you done previously?

3. Which engine are you going to use?

4. If you use an engine like the 1.8 Tempra, what modifications are you expecting to do for it to make 240bhp?

5. What engine management system will you be using for the engine?

6. What modifications are you going to do to the Uno 45's suspension? Are you going to do anything to the chassis to beef it up?

7. What are you going to do to upgrade the brakes?

8. What facilities/ equipment do you have available to you to carry out the work? Can you weld and fabricate parts?

If you can answer these for us we can then all use our collective knowledge to give you advice and get this project off the ground. :)


dont have dyno sheets but heres the spec list. punto gt's have been known to run up to 300 bhp on std internals.

Engine

Fiat 1372cc SOHC Turbo.
*Acralite Pistons
*Arrow Precision Rods
*Lightend and balanced Crank
*Lightend and balanced Flywheel
*Colombo & Bariani Cam
*Reworked cylinder head, Abarth valve springs, K-Line tempered phosphor bronze spiral valve guide liners, sodium exhaust valves, triple cut valve seats.
*Spesso competition head gasket
*Reworked inlet manifild.
*POTR exhaust manifold.
*Mitsi T25 Hybrid
*Custom Turbo elbow
*Custom Down pipe
*Bosch 380cc injectors
*Walbro fuel pump
*protixide fuel rail
*Custom Map for ECU
*Magnacore KV85 Plug Leads
*Denso Iridum Sparkplugs
*CDA Carbon Dynamic CAI
*Apexi AVC-R Boost Controler

Drivetrain

* Standard Punto Gt Gearbox
*POTR L.S.D.
*POTR 4.0 Final drive (std is 3.35)
*Avanti Longer 5th gear
*Potr Uprated Clutch disc and cover

Suspension & Wheels

*KW Coilovers
*Eibach Anti-roll Bars front and rear
*Polyurethane front wishbone bushings
*Nylon Bushings for rear subframe and swinwing arms
*Plated and welded front sunframe and chassis legs
*15mm Hubcentric wheel spacers
*Battery relocated to rear (boot)
*Speedline 7x16" Fiat Coupe 20vt LE, 205/40x16 Yokohama Parada Spec2.

Brakes

*Front:Brembo 4pot from Fiat Coupe 20vt le, Ceramic Discs and pads.
*Rear: Black Diamond Drilled & Groved discs, Ferodo DS3000 pads.


1. whatever it takes. project will be done over 3 or 4 years thus spreading out the cost. i dont know how much i will need to spend because i havnt chose an engine yet, but i would expect it to be in or abouts 12-13k.

2. the previous said gt. the first track/race car i was envolved in building were 3 unos for the irish uno championship, following that were the puntos and then the hgt,s. several lap records were set in mondello kirkstown etc... the most recent achievment was winning the punto abarth championship this year ( my father not me ).

3. i think its clear im not sure what engine im using, im still tossing around ideas in m head.

4. much the same modifications as listed above.

5. stand alone custom managment system....

6. chassis will be seam welded, contemplating roll cage. fully camber/castor adj coilovers, arb's strut brace, stronger polyeurethene bushes if needed etc...

7. havnt given much thought to the brakes yet but i know the non turbo coupe brakes fit wit a little pursuasion, that might not be enough as of yet i dont know but obviously the stopping power would need to be greatly improved

8. i have a main fiat/ citroen dealership at my disposal (that would give you an idea of the equipment i have available to me) but is mostly fairly busy, i will be building it in my grandparents garage with much the same equipment, it was a fiat/lancia dealership until they retired. has since been closed for buisness. my father tought me to weld when i was 10 or 11 i think, fabricating has become kind of a hobby for me since.
 
the hf turbo engine is a good idea and reliable to be fair had mine on the rollers and she maid 207bhp:devil: and iv had it 3 yrs not any massive prolems just stuff like split vac hoses etc easy to tune to

mild remap
exhaust
samcos
and a t2 turbo with 360 bearing and cut bk inpelars runing 1.2 bar boost
lightend and balanced flywheel

if you need any info on these engine let me no and i have couple in my garage to ;)

to be honist you dont wont much over 200bhp my delta is ok but its heavy my mate had a gt at 212bhp and that was barly drivable (n)


cheers luke


thanks for the info dude much appreiated. and impressive figures aswell. the hf engine was my first choice but then i thought about the alfa 1.6, was 120bhp but non turbo, more expensive to tune but was also a lighter engine. my heads jumbleing all these ideas around at the moment and its starting to hurt lol
 
dont have dyno sheets but heres the spec list. punto gt's have been known to run up to 300 bhp on std internals.

Yes they can if you wind the boost up enough, but for how long? 300bhp from a 1.4 is nearly 200bhp per litre. That's an enormous amount of power per litre even by todays standards.

Engine

Fiat 1372cc SOHC Turbo.
*Acralite Pistons
*Arrow Precision Rods
*Lightend and balanced Crank
*Lightend and balanced Flywheel
*Colombo & Bariani Cam
*Reworked cylinder head, Abarth valve springs, K-Line tempered phosphor bronze spiral valve guide liners, sodium exhaust valves, triple cut valve seats.
*Spesso competition head gasket
*Reworked inlet manifild.
*POTR exhaust manifold.
*Mitsi T25 Hybrid
*Custom Turbo elbow
*Custom Down pipe
*Bosch 380cc injectors
*Walbro fuel pump
*protixide fuel rail
*Custom Map for ECU
*Magnacore KV85 Plug Leads
*Denso Iridum Sparkplugs
*CDA Carbon Dynamic CAI
*Apexi AVC-R Boost Controler

Drivetrain

* Standard Punto Gt Gearbox
*POTR L.S.D.
*POTR 4.0 Final drive (std is 3.35)
*Avanti Longer 5th gear
*Potr Uprated Clutch disc and cover

Suspension & Wheels

*KW Coilovers
*Eibach Anti-roll Bars front and rear
*Polyurethane front wishbone bushings
*Nylon Bushings for rear subframe and swinwing arms
*Plated and welded front sunframe and chassis legs
*15mm Hubcentric wheel spacers
*Battery relocated to rear (boot)
*Speedline 7x16" Fiat Coupe 20vt LE, 205/40x16 Yokohama Parada Spec2.

Brakes

*Front:Brembo 4pot from Fiat Coupe 20vt le, Ceramic Discs and pads.
*Rear: Black Diamond Drilled & Groved discs, Ferodo DS3000 pads.


That's quite an impressive spec list there. Is this a race car or something? If so, what race series do you run it in? And again out of curiosity, how do you know it's running 243bhp if you don't have dyno sheets? Do you have any pictures we can see of the car and engine?

1. whatever it takes. project will be done over 3 or 4 years thus spreading out the cost. i dont know how much i will need to spend because i havnt chose an engine yet, but i would expect it to be in or abouts 12-13k.

I take it that's Euros. Even so, you certainly have the budget to build the car!

2. the previous said gt. the first track/race car i was envolved in building were 3 unos for the irish uno championship, following that were the puntos and then the hgt,s. several lap records were set in mondello kirkstown etc... the most recent achievment was winning the punto abarth championship this year ( my father not me ).

Your dad won the Abarth race series this year (2008)? Cool! What's his name? Is he well known in Ireland for racing Puntos/ Unos?

3. i think its clear im not sure what engine im using, im still tossing around ideas in m head.

You've had a few ideas bandied around now by others so I guess you will have to see what comes up. My personal opinion is that it would be easier to start out with a powerful turbo engine, such as the Integrale 2.0 T or Fiat Coupe 2.0 T, if you want to make 240bhp rather than try and modify a 1.8 Tempra engine. Would probably work out cheaper in the long run too though the 2.0 litre engines may have weight issues due to their sizes.

4. much the same modifications as listed above.

That should certainly up the power. I take it you do have a good and trustworthy rolling road to go to for setting it all up?

5. stand alone custom managment system....

Emerald or Megasquirt? Who do you have to do the mapping?

6. chassis will be seam welded, contemplating roll cage. fully camber/castor adj coilovers, arb's strut brace, stronger polyeurethene bushes if needed etc...

I assume then that this is a road car and not a race car? Roll cage would be compulsory for a race car surely?

7. havnt given much thought to the brakes yet but i know the non turbo coupe brakes fit wit a little pursuasion, that might not be enough as of yet i dont know but obviously the stopping power would need to be greatly improved

Dunc Uno Turbo fitted 4 pot Brembos to his UT so it can be done. I think he only needed custom brackets to make them fit, though he did have problems with the standard master cylinder not providing enough fluid to work them. He has a huge thread about his build which you can find on the forum.

8. i have a main fiat/ citroen dealership at my disposal (that would give you an idea of the equipment i have available to me) but is mostly fairly busy, i will be building it in my grandparents garage with much the same equipment, it was a fiat/lancia dealership until they retired. has since been closed for buisness. my father tought me to weld when i was 10 or 11 i think, fabricating has become kind of a hobby for me since.

Your grandparents have their own garage (as in car dealer/ workshop garage)????!!!! Sounds like you have a lot in place to get the project going (y)

BTW, do you and your brother live in Wexford?
 
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Yes they can if you wind the boost up enough, but for how long? 300bhp from a 1.4 is nearly 200bhp per litre. That's an enormous amount of power per litre even by todays standards.




That's quite an impressive spec list there. Is this a race car or something? If so, what race series do you run it in? And again out of curiosity, how do you know it's running 243bhp if you don't have dyno sheets? Do you have any pictures we can see of the car and engine?



I take it that's Euros. Even so, you certainly have the budget to build the car!



Your dad won the Abarth race series this year (2008)? Cool! What's his name? Is he well known in Ireland for racing Puntos/ Unos?



You've had a few ideas bandied around now by others so I guess you will have to see what comes up. My personal opinion is that it would be easier to start out with a powerful turbo engine, such as the Integrale 2.0 T or Fiat Coupe 2.0 T, if you want to make 240bhp rather than try and modify a 1.8 Tempra engine. Would probably work out cheaper in the long run too though the 2.0 litre engines may have weight issues due to their sizes.



That should certainly up the power. I take it you do have a good and trustworthy rolling road to go to for setting it all up?



Emerald or Megasquirt? Who do you have to do the mapping?



I assume then that this is a road car and not a race car? Roll cage would be compulsory for a race car surely?



Dunc Uno Turbo fitted 4 pot Brembos to his UT so it can be done. I think he only needed custom brackets to make them fit, though he did have problems with the standard master cylinder not providing enough fluid to work them. He has a huge thread about his build which you can find on the forum.



Your grandparents have their own garage (as in car dealer/ workshop garage)????!!!! Sounds like you have a lot in place to get the project going (y)

BTW, do you and your brother live in Wexford?


nope road car, only had it unning for a while and back onto the lifts she went he wasnt happy with a few bits and has gotten sidetracked on getting it finnished. we had it dynoed but that was quite a while ago the printouts might still be arond somewhere ill have a look. i have pics of it being originally built ill try get em up 2moro.

it would seem like a big budget but im spreading it out over a long period prob bout 4 years so its only goin 2 be about 100 yoyos a week.

my dads name is clive pratt, i think the website is irishabarthracing.com not sure though. the series itself isnt that well known but hes ben doing it since the unos started and has always done reasonably well.

theres the rr place down in cork my bro went too and he said they were excelent so ill prb end up there.

ye shes gonna be a road car, well more for the weekends and track days, im just thinking about the roll cage gor safety and structural reasons.

im not sure about the mapping yet, thats still a bit far down the road but i do know 1 or 2 people.

wow i didnt know the brembos fitted the unos. we fitted them to the gt with the manufacter (sp) of a fairly simple bracket, theres prob diagrams of it or smething alike on here. delighted they fit unos though. any idea what wheels he had to use?

yeah all i need is an engine really, and a bit of extra time lol. nope dont live in wexford dude.
thanks man and again sorry for the retardedness of my earlier comments;)
 
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