not heard too much bout it but it sounds kewl any clues on wot it is and how much, i hear its for the turbo diesils but could be wrong, any brainiacs out there?

A hybrid turbo can mean many things to many people. Basically it's taking the standard turbo and replacing some of the parts with different bits from another turbo. The idea to to expand the range of the turbo. This can also involve clipping the turbines to get better flow.

Nowadays you can buy hyrid turbos off the shelf with a massive variety of different units available with different housings, flanges and A/Rs.

I think that the turbo on the JTD uses a variable vane turbo. The theory here is that the turbo behaves like a small turbo sometimes (comes on boost quickly with low air flow) and like a big turbo othertimes (has a higher flow rate and can carry more boost).

Usually if you fit a bigger turbo it becomes more laggy and needs more revs to build boost. Sometimes this can be helped by fitting a newer design but if the original turbo is well specced then you will loose somewhere to gain somewhere else.

well that explains it all in a nutshell. have you done anything to your turbo? if so what did u do? and what theoretically wud i need to do to make it quicker off the mark!?!?

A remap on its own will make it quicker off the mark.

I know if I was to convert to a hybrid turbo it would cost £2250 for the turbo, remap and exhaust system.

oh yeah of course it will, but u can never have too many horses from the get go tho ey! but 2.5k thats a bit much aint it! could go out n buy a whole new turbo for the much and still have change, must be pretty special at that price!!

jackoneil3 said:

well that explains it all in a nutshell. have you done anything to your turbo? if so what did u do? and what theoretically wud i need to do to make it quicker off the mark!?!?

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Well I've had my Stilo for four days (this being the fourth day) so very little mod wise. I'm still learning about the JTD.

My plan is to get a remap by Angel Tuning. They seem to be very highly regarded and suggest that an extra 40bhp is possible with no other mods. Beyond that I'd look at the induction and exhaust on the car. I've had a quick scoot under the bonnet and the airbox actually looks like a pretty good set-up. I don;t think that much would be gained with a K&N style filter, I'd guess that a free flowing panel filter would be best there. I'm sure that more could happen to the exhaust too. Haven't had a look at the exhaust yet but usually you can improve upon the stock design especially if you remove the baffles (i.e. it gets louder). Angel seem to list a few options which might be worth a sniff.

I've also noted that the intercooler looks fairly small. I'd guess that a larger intercooler would also reap benefits.

Also look at the induction tubing. I haven't but replacing plastic/rubber pipes with silicone/metal pipework helps. Mind you my old Tipo TD was pretty good in this respect so the JTD may be likewise.

All of the above I'd look at before upgrading the turbo.

Any other mad JTD tuner types out there with more (i.e. any) experiance of what works with the JTD engine.

Do not fit a K&N style filter to a car with a MAF sensor - the oil in the filter WILL break your MAF.

i have got a free flowin panel filter on mine from BMC, but where at the moment the ECU still only wants to suck so much air it hasnt done anything yet but once the re map is done it shud make a large difference!! i got it from http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/

not a bad company at all got my exhaust from them too!

Is the intercooler front mounted on the Stilo?

Cris has the right idea anyway, i'll just add a hi-flow cat to the list. You can have too much power btw...for the clutch/injectors etc

if that becomes neccessary to upgrade the clutch etc. then never mind more money will be spent, aim of the game it to put as many horses i can under my bonet

yes it is front mounted, to get to it u need to take off the front bumper pretty easy tho 4 torx bolts at the top and another 4 on the bottom, 3 or 4 scrwes in both arch guards pop the arch guards off and then 2 fixings just on the join between the bumper and body work at the wheels and hey presto the bumper if off, and there u will see the intercooler standin proud!

jackoneil3 said:

2.5k thats a bit much aint it! could go out n buy a whole new turbo for the much and still have change, must be pretty special at that price!!

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A decent roller bearing turbo will cost about £1000. Add £500 for a full exhaust (including decat). Add £300 for a remap. Then add £500 labour for fitting and setup.
Sounds about right.
H

Hellcat said:

Do not fit a K&N style filter to a car with a MAF sensor - the oil in the filter WILL break your MAF.

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So how can they make kits for cars with MAFs?

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So how can they make kits for cars with MAFs?

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The theory is that when you oil the airfilter some of the oil ends up on the MAF which mucks it up.

I must say that I've had oiled filters on a couple of cars (my Tipo and GTIR most recently) and never found it a problem (neither has any GTIR owner I know of). I suppose if you chucked too much oil on it could be but...

hmallett said:

A decent roller bearing turbo will cost about £1000. Add £500 for a full exhaust (including decat). Add £300 for a remap. Then add £500 labour for fitting and setup.
Sounds about right.
H

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Thinking about this £2,500 sounds like a lot. I would have thought that the best option for that kind of level would be an engine swap. Surely you could pick up a 1.9 JTD mJET for about that price. Stick that it and you already have 150bhp. An Angel remap on that makes 185bhp plus whatever for your exhaust and filter (I assume that the airboxes are the same design). You could even pick up the Alfa 6 speed (I'm guessing that it's a swap straight on).

I would have thought that the 2.4 JTD mJet would also fit (given that the Abarth has a 5 cylinder petrol there is space).:slayer:

I might be getting ahead of myself but the 1.9 looks a better option that a different turbo to me.

Yeah I know what oil does to the MAF sensor, but why would K&N do kits for cars with them if its gonna mess up...

Anyway, best option (imo) would be to get an exhaust sorted that can handle the 170bhp remap, then get ECU remapped. Leave the engine mods at that, unless you can get a bigger air intake.

Now, sort the suspension, brakes wheels/tyres, strut braces, ARBs properly then you'll have a car thats quick in a straight line and round the corners

I'd agree. A set of coil-overs and some really lightweight wheels would have more of an effect.

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I would have thought that the 2.4 JTD mJet would also fit (given that the Abarth has a 5 cylinder petrol there is space).:slayer:

I might be getting ahead of myself but the 1.9 looks a better option that a different turbo to me.

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Where would you be able to get ahold of one of those engines, stilo's aint been out that long cant be any of those engines available or do u know summat we dont?

The 1.9 JTD Mjet 150 isnt available in the UK is it? The 2.4 JTD has been used in Alfa 156s, Mareas, Ulysse?

The 147, 156 and GT all have the option of the 150 1.9. I'm sue that someone must have smashed one up somewhere to nick the engine from.

Of course you could just buy one of the above in the first place....

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The 147, 156 and GT all have the option of the 150 1.9. I'm sue that someone must have smashed one up somewhere to nick the engine from.

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Oh yeah....forgot about those!