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last month when the weather was very hot, the electric windows (both) were catching when they were raised after they had been opened fully.

now on one occasion the window actually exploded when i pushed the switch to close the window, we got it raplaced, thought little of it .......... and low and behold its gone the same way tonight.

we were cautious not to open the window fully since this happened the first time, but it still smashed despite this

frightened the life out of me and the missus as she was outside next to it when it exploded.


i have got the company who replaced the glass initially to come out to check it was fiited ok, but surely there must be something wrong with the door or the mechanism that raises the glass.

also i noted tonight funnily enough, before this happened the passenger door window was opened slightly more than we like to open it, the passenger i was carrying got in the door and it made a clunk like the glass was fouling something inside the door and i commented i would look at it over the weekend. it seemed to me that the door sliding restraint ???? was catching the glass somehow.



surely the "technician" that replaces the glass should be able to see if there is a problem with the mechanism and advise


can somebody offer some idea what could be the problem ?

thanks for your replies and help :confused:
 
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Hi

My drivers door does the same. I noticed when the window was down and the door was fully open it seemed to hit the door stop on the glass inside the door. Its not often i have the windows down as i have the air con on so i keep meaning to have a look but forget. it would be good if someone knew what it was.(y)
 
The window on the driver side of my car makes the most horrific screeching noise when going up, no problem when it's winding down though? When the window is wet the noise doesn't happen, so there's obviously something causing fricition?
 
it gets better :eek:


the missus went to have the door glass replaced this afternoon, the technician, while replacing the drivers door glass left the nearside window down.

she was driving home and wanted to close the nearside window ..... ffs this is getting ridiculous, that one shattered also, the kids were in the back seat too, glass everywhere. :cry:

autoglass phoned the main dealer on our behalf and they said they hadnt heared of a problem like it and that they would have to look at it and that it needed a service @ £350 while we're at it.


can it get any worse



surely there must be a sensor that cuts out when there is too much resistance on the window ?

if a child was to close the window on an arm (or neck for that matter), surely it would stop when the pressure / resistance was to great ?



anyway its going for some temporary perspex tomorrow until we find the cause of the problem.

was rather hoping somebody had posted with a possible cause or maybe a solution........ :bang:
 
So that's THREE smashed windows?? Happened on BOTH doors??? :eek: Are you having a time of it. It takes quite a lot of pressure to break a window, but not so much if it's a very small point of pressure. Maybe the runner in the door is loose/ misaligned and the edge of the glass is hitting square on the small guide near the top of the A pillar. This is supposed to guide the glass into the top slot but if it's WAY out I guess it could crunch itself on that. But both doors? That's just plain weird. Like Big Black said, you sure there's no sign of tampering? Please keep us informed of progress.

Ralph
 
Its not unknown to get a faulty baych release. Perhaps you have that with the doors.
Do be doing that, something (ie guides, door stop) is way out of line. Could this be a manufacturer batch fualt or maybe missing part of a guide?

Would be worth looking into.
 
Have you had the car from new? Had someone try to break into the car?

When the windows are done up to their fullest extent, they will be put under some pressure to create the watertight seal; you'll see the seals flex slightly. However smashing doesn't sound good!

I would say that there is an issue with runner alignment or the mechanisms might be out of adjustment, causing one side to pressurise before the other. Whatever it is, get dealer to check it out.

Also, answering your query on safety; the rubbers that surround the window (door) are fitted with anti-pinch sensors, so if anything gets trapped they will immediately put the window down. Try it; window down, put it up on One-Touch and punch (lightly :p) the top seal and the window will go down. It won't read actual glass pressure though as it is not designed that way.

Just checked ePER; the only thing window wise to have been modified is the outer seals. What age is the car? The mod date was 06/2001, way before they came to the UK.
 
thanks for the replies chaps

just an update on this,

firstly there has been no tampering as far as we are aware

we havent had the car from new, but the car had the original etched door glass in when we brought it.


ok, the main dealer have diagnosed that two new check straps and motors are required to rectify this problem.
they are working on the theory that the door glass is vibrating when raised and this is causing the glass to break. ??

the main dealer said they have never heared of this problem before :eek:

HOWEVER, yesterday evening, Autoglass (who replaced the glass initially), telephoned my wife and asked if we had any further details of our problem.

They had just had another Fiat Stilo (02 plate) return after their door glass smashed on their way home from having one replaced, a result of her little girl slamming the door shut. :confused: strange ? i would say so

we advised they use the same dealer as we did

i just hope this is a correct diagnosis and it will be the end of it - it's booked in on Tuesday for the work to be carried out



will update this thread when i know more
 
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withnail said:
ok, the main dealer have diagnosed that two new check straps and motors are required to rectify this problem.
they are working on the theory that the door glass is vibrating when raised and this is causing the glass to break. ??
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Hey

When you say checkstraps, do you mean checkstraps? These are in-between the door hinges and stop the door from opening further than is necessary; can't see that being related to windows!!

Does the dealer not mean the window mechanism and cables??

And surely a motor either works or it doesn't; if the motor is faulty it wouldn't engage into the cable mechanism correctly and would cause the window to move roughly.

I would be more inclined to get seals and mechanism replaced to ensure all lines up correctly.

Also, there is a little pad that is on the door that keeps the window pushed out to line up - have they checked to ensure thats still on the door? If the glass is falling back then being pushed out when going up, that could cause stress leading to weakness and smashing.
 
rroope said:
Hey

When you say checkstraps, do you mean checkstraps? These are in-between the door hinges and stop the door from opening further than is necessary; can't see that being related to windows!!

Does the dealer not mean the window mechanism and cables??

And surely a motor either works or it doesn't; if the motor is faulty it wouldn't engage into the cable mechanism correctly and would cause the window to move roughly.

I would be more inclined to get seals and mechanism replaced to ensure all lines up correctly.

Also, there is a little pad that is on the door that keeps the window pushed out to line up - have they checked to ensure thats still on the door? If the glass is falling back then being pushed out when going up, that could cause stress leading to weakness and smashing.
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now what your saying makes more sense than the motors being at fault, but i know very little about these things hence it going to the main dealers.

i did ask IF these repairs were not to rectify the problem where would we stand, and she said they would work because they had diagnosed the problem and that they would guarantee it.
with this i authorised them to fit a replacement door glass so that would be guaranteed too.

now im a little uneasy, just incase it doesnt work and they try and wriggle out of this.

im not too familiar with the workings of dealers and how the operate, but in that situation, would i have grounds to expect them to repair these windows at their cost ?
 
withnail said:
now what your saying makes more sense than the motors being at fault, but i know very little about these things hence it going to the main dealers.

i did ask IF these repairs were not to rectify the problem where would we stand, and she said they would work because they had diagnosed the problem and that they would guarantee it.
with this i authorised them to fit a replacement door glass so that would be guaranteed too.

now im a little uneasy, just incase it doesnt work and they try and wriggle out of this.

im not too familiar with the workings of dealers and how the operate, but in that situation, would i have grounds to expect them to repair these windows at their cost ?
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Well, it depends if the car is under warranty - although you could argue this is a major safety & security issue, and is in no way standard wear and tear. If the dealer do charge, phone FIAT Customer serives (0800 717000) and make a complaint; I did when my Stilo failed it's first MOT on its exhaust. Cost me £140. They gave me £200 back :D
 
Any developements with this isssue,mate?

This has happened to my 03 Stilo twice:eek: When I first bought the beast the doorstop was disconnected. Didnt think twice before refitting it as it was one of a long list of niggly jobs to do(inc dodgy underseat airbag setup/anti roll bar linkage/coil pack replacement/front brake squeal).The usual supects-you know the score lads!

Is the door stop the cause of this alarming problem?

ps.top forum.nice one.
 
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