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Old 25-03-2014   #16
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Re: Seized engine - advice needed

i see its an old thread but i had a few mk 1 puntos with seizes alternators and it would be easy to diagnose as seized engine
i used to cut the belts so i could jump start the cars
old rovers had the same problems with a similar alternator
i still have an alternator pulley as my toothbrush holder in our bathroom i cut it in half and welded it back together with 3 spark plugs as the toothbrush holders

re seized engine if pump went i always scrap everything but pumps dont go unless they is made by kia ,what normally happens is low oil causes a bearing to go
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Re: Seized engine - advice needed

FrankenFiat I was the engine I built from a Grande 1.4 block, 1108 Cinquecento head and Punto 75 cam', with a pair of bike carb's and custom exhaust. The engine turned over tried to fire up and seized due to the oil pump failing. Luckily as it was only at starter motor pace the damage was minimal and the block has a new life somewhere else and FrankenFiat II is in my shed waiting for a lucky donor shell.

You can still buy brand new FIRE engines from Fiat if you'd like to preserve the mileage. As yours was running when it died and it did so gradually the chances are you may need a new crank or shells at the very least.

If you can't do the work yourself and new engine would be a lot cheaper than a rebuild.
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Re: Seized engine - advice needed

new engine? how much
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Re: Seized engine - advice needed

The last time I saw one it was 1242 Punto 60 spec' for 695.

Plenty of good used units about from 50 and fitting is an afternoons work.
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The last time I saw one it was 1242 Punto 60 spec' for 695.

Plenty of good used units about from 50 and fitting is an afternoons work.
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Re: Seized engine - advice needed

If the engine does indeed seize then you "can't" recover anything expect the sump, & extra bits like water pump etc.
Because, if it seizes then most likely there will be bits of metal in the oil which may have been carried around the engine, meaning you'll need new parts (including engine) to ensure that oil feeds are clear including all pipes to oil cooler if you use one. (practice we use on all race engines).

Although for a road car you could un-seize it and keep it running don't think anyone will care much. Depending on why it seized of course. But anti freeze or something to free the pistons then re-bore the engine. but you'll need to clean the oil channels with something strong.
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If it was a rare engine, you'd take the trouble -- there's a picture in Guy Croft's new book of a piston being forced out of a FIAT twin cam block with a hydraulic press -- to get any bits that could be re manufactured back into the parts chain.

But FIRE engines are so commonplace at the moment that only an ecologist would take the trouble.
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If it was a rare engine, you'd take the trouble -- there's a picture in Guy Croft's new book of a piston being forced out of a FIAT twin cam block with a hydraulic press -- to get any bits that could be re manufactured back into the parts chain.

But FIRE engines are so commonplace at the moment that only an ecologist would take the trouble.
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Re: Seized engine - advice needed

The OP's engine didn't seize. The Alternator did.

I have never heard of a FIRE engine seizing before so i think you are safe. The oil pressure light will come on if the oil pump fails and the engine will sound rough. You won't have long before the engine seizes but it won't be instantanious.

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Price drop to 599 as well.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-new-...item3f30c34668
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600 squid is that cheap
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600 squid is that cheap
3,000 for a brand new twin-air engine for comparisons sake.

65,000 for a Maserati V8 or how about 21,000 for a BMW V10?

Recently helped to fit a V10 to an M5 only to discover the engine was perfectly fine and it was the gearbox ecu that was chuffed.
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Re: Seized engine - advice needed

yea u cant compare it to a bmw, 1 wheel costs more than whole punto
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And the Punto is cooler and often more reliable.......
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Re: Seized engine - advice needed

nout more gratifying than blasting past some very very expensive new car stranded on the side of the road in your old rattly fiat
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