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The sensor that senses you lifting the clutch pedal to up the revs is a PITA I disconnected it but it puts the MIL light on. I've reconnected it and cleared the codes. Is there a work around for this annoying set up?
 
Eklipze3k said:
I can't provide any input, other than to say that's the most ridiculous 'feature' I've ever heard of!
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Most likely done to enable Euro6 emissions compliance.

Someone with a little electronics knowledge and some DIY skills could probably rig up a dummy sensor to plug into the connector which would disable this functionality without triggering the MIL. Technically illegal though, as is anything which might affect emissions post-homologation :rolleyes:.
 
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jrkitching said:
Most likely done to enable Euro6 emissions compliance.

Someone with a little electronics knowledge and some DIY skills could probably rig up a dummy sensor to plug into the connector which would disable this functionality without triggering the MIL. Technically illegal though, as is anything which might affect emissions post-homologation :rolleyes:.
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It just uses a hall effect chip, I could of course fool the ecu like you suggest. Could just reconnect the sensor at MOT time but I bet it won't effect it anyway.
 
I just wonder if going for a remap would be an idea but is that annoying clutch behaviour removed in the remap or left? The other thing is I've heard that my year of 1.2 Panda a remap won't work. Not too sure what way to go. The car actually drives fine the incline out of Glasgow on the M77 slows a lot of cars down but mine did 70mph up it the other day.
 
murphyv310 said:
I just wonder if going for a remap would be an idea but is that annoying clutch behaviour removed in the remap or left? The other thing is I've heard that my year of 1.2 Panda a remap won't work. Not too sure what way to go. The car actually drives fine the incline out of Glasgow on the M77 slows a lot of cars down but mine did 70mph up it the other day.
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Personally I wouldn't; IMO even if it's possible, the downsides of invalidating any remaining warranty you may have and creating a notifiable insurance event would outweigh any perceived advantages.

But some have claimed to have done so and reported an improvement in driveability.
 
murphyv310 said:
I just wonder if going for a remap would be an idea but is that annoying clutch behaviour removed in the remap or left? The other thing is I've heard that my year of 1.2 Panda a remap won't work. Not too sure what way to go. The car actually drives fine the incline out of Glasgow on the M77 slows a lot of cars down but mine did 70mph up it the other day.
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I had my Euro-4 1.2 4x4 remapped before embarking on the supercharger project and it did make a difference in 'perkiness' and driveability, but not massively so. Broadly similar to the effect of dropping off your 14 stone mate and enjoying the improved performance on the way home.... Certainly not enough to worry about to be honest and I really doubt anyone would notice, including the dealer in terms of warranty or the insurance in terms of a 'modification', despite both technically being impacted.
 
Hi.
The whole sensor is held in with a simple plastic locking pin, the pedal has a metal pin that engages in the rectangular end of a plastic lever that connects to the "switch" part of the sensor. the rectangular end has a simple yellow latch that will allow you to remove the whole thing once the locking pin is removed.
The lever is lightly spring loaded to the clutch up position so i have removed mine and tucked behind the plastic cover adjacent to the foot rest. Results are encouraging and the take away is far more controllable, I'll not know for sure till I do a hill start or a quick take away if there is a lack of torque.
I'll come back in a few days and report my findings, reverting to the way it was will be an easy job if necessary.
 
murphyv310 said:
Hi.
The whole sensor is held in with a simple plastic locking pin, the pedal has a metal pin that engages in the rectangular end of a plastic lever that connects to the "switch" part of the sensor. the rectangular end has a simple yellow latch that will allow you to remove the whole thing once the locking pin is removed.
The lever is lightly spring loaded to the clutch up position so i have removed mine and tucked behind the plastic cover adjacent to the foot rest. Results are encouraging and the take away is far more controllable, I'll not know for sure till I do a hill start or a quick take away if there is a lack of torque.
I'll come back in a few days and report my findings, reverting to the way it was will be an easy job if necessary.
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hi,this is exactly what i was going to do with mine but so far havent got round to it,when i used to remove these on fords i always tie clipped the micra switch closed so im assuming the panda one works the other way round
whilst your down there have you tried removing your pollen filter? i tried and aborted because i would need to remove the steering downshaft so will leave it till the summer
 
I have a 4x4 diesel and have never noticed this.

Its the only car I have ever driven where you can lift the clutch without any pressure on accelerator and not stall - even when done fairly fast.

I put this down to the very low 1st gear.

Have never noticed any increase in revs upon lifting clutch - is this "feature" confined to petrol models ?
 
Did a round trip to Glasgow with 4 adults aboard. Also some in town driving and I can honestly say its a big improvement. No issues with sudden rev increases and a much smoother take away.
Hill starts also spot on.
Incidentally the engine revs in 5th gear driving at 70mph at 3000rpm, I have no buttons ahead of the gear lever in my car.
The removal of this sensor will now be permanent and it will be put out of harms way in a position not likely to cause any damage or obstruction.
 
I think this function is a fantastic piece of kit. It was on my old T/A 4x4 and is also on my 2017 T/A 4x4.
I find it especially useful during parking as you do not have to touch the throttle whilst making tight manoeuvres. I park my car really close to my van on an incline at night and this requires fine control of which I can use clutch and brake together in the knowledge that it won't stall.
Also in heavy slow moving traffic when creeping in first gear there is no need to touch the throttle until you need greater forward speed.

theshootist, I think you have answered your own question in saying you lift the clutch without any pressure on the throttle and it doesn't stall. That is exactly what this function is for so I would say you have it on your diesel and it is working fine.

Regards
Jo
 
SussexJo said:
I think this function is a fantastic piece of kit. It was on my old T/A 4x4 and is also on my 2017 T/A 4x4.
I find it especially useful during parking as you do not have to touch the throttle whilst making tight manoeuvres. I park my car really close to my van on an incline at night and this requires fine control of which I can use clutch and brake together in the knowledge that it won't stall.
Also in heavy slow moving traffic when creeping in first gear there is no need to touch the throttle until you need greater forward speed.

theshootist, I think you have answered your own question in saying you lift the clutch without any pressure on the throttle and it doesn't stall. That is exactly what this function is for so I would say you have it on your diesel and it is working fine.

Regards
Jo
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Hi Jo.
This feature only works with the clutch on the biting point, so with your foot off the car will not be affected when moving at tickover in traffic. It only operates as I say when roughly at the biting point. The only advantage would be as you say in low speed manoeuvres. Hard to stall any car now with fly by wire as fuelling and throttle will always try to keep the engine at normal tick over level.
 
Thanks murphyv310, that's basically what I was trying to say, in creeping I meant stopping and starting but not stopping long enough to warrant using stop start. (which I think is the most useless energy wasting feature on my car so is never used).
Regards
Jo
 
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