pahahaha love it

I have no idea how I even survived a few months driving that 1000S. The brakes were pretty much worse than putting your feet out the door to slow down and it was generally about as safe as an unmarked minefield.

Indeed I shall leave the fuel cutoff switch for when I crash lol

lewey said:

Don't bother with the lambda just yet as they are expensive for good ones. Try the coolant sensor as they are cheap and would make the car run rich as ECU thinks engine is always cold. Not sure where it is on that implementation, but will have a blue two pin socket on it and be in the head somewhere.

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Called into a fiat dealer to get a price for a coolant sensor. They wanted £64 Does anyone else stock them?

My new stainless exhaust broke in two earlier so it has not been a good day for the Y10 :bang:

Cheers
Dave

Bit tighter than I expected, but it's out. Apologies for the 1940's era picture quality.






Currently in the process of blending the starter motor with a die grinder to fit against the 16v engine.

Parts list so far consists only of an Punto alternator or alternator pully. I was hoping to fit the Panda alternator but it is approx. a full belt width out of line due to a lower pully on the 16v engine behind the alternator pully.

Oh I also lost the 16v manifold LOL not good! It will turn up though I'm sure.........

Hi Alex,

It was a bit tight because they should be dopped out the bottom. Might be better if you can put the new one in that way.

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Hi Alex,

It was a bit tight because they should be dopped out the bottom. Might be better if you can put the new one in that way.

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Overall out the bottom is probably easier but there are advantages of out the top like the driveshafts stay where they are and you don't have to dismantle suspension because of this. I generally go for downwards myself.

I didn't really have any way of raising the car safely to take it out the bottom so I'll have to put it in again through the top.

Just takes a bit more man handling and stripping to get it in easily.

Didn't get very far tonight, just managed to fit the box to the engine and clean everything up.

One of the clutch cover bolts sheered in the flywheel which consumed about 2 hours. Luckily though when it was lightened the back of the thread had been exposed so painfully slowly I just drilled it out backwards.

ECU should be back today

Got any pics of the flywheel? How much does it weigh?

lewey said:

Got any pics of the flywheel? How much does it weigh?

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nah no pics unfortunately. Should have taken some before I put it all together.

I should have done a before and after weight too!

It is very light though, they machined a LOT off the back and quite a bit off the front too, including the timing mark lol

According to the rally shop it's as light as possible for the engine/car without affecting driveability too much.

Sounds extreme to me. I struggled to convince my machine shop to take any off the back at all and on the front they would only take the radius off the edge off the disc!

I took mine to a place called Road & Rally near my house and they literally are the mutt nuts in re-bores, skims, lightening, balancing. Just amazing! Could have spent hours walking round and asking questions...infact I did

It was like heaven!!!! There were V6 blocks being bored, train engines getting reground, cranks balancing and engine blocks and heads stacked up everywhere.

Yeah it is pretty lighweight now! Came to £50+vat which isn't too bad I don't think.

Just need to find myself a Mk1 16v Manifold but they are pretty thin on the ground now.

I paid more than that. You got a bargain. I know Road and Rally, handy they are local..

lewey said:

I paid more than that. You got a bargain. I know Road and Rally, handy they are local..

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First and definately not the last time I'll be going there.

It's worth a visit just to gape at the entire collection of vintage playboy calenders they have on the wall

On another subject are you using standard Panda engine/box mounts? Mine are very wobbly and old, wondered if Punto ones or mounts from another fiat would fit.

The rubbers are standard, but all new. They work fine I reckon.

aggggghh everything has come to a grinding halt lol

I think I am missing a 'loom relay box' which is mentioned in the 'How to fit a 16v FIRE engine in a Panda' guide. Must have been taken from my Punto loom before I got to it.

Can anybody offer an opinion on such a thing? Is an 8v loom relay box any good for a 16v engine?

Also, I have now given up searching and decided that I have lost the exhaust manifold and all the inlet manifold nuts!!!!! Must have been thrown away by mistake in a garage tidy up before the Panda work started.

The Panda alternator cannot be spaced to fit the Punto engine as the pulley nut reaches the end of its thread before the belt line up, and I don't have any longer bolts to space the mount, either.

Hopefully the local scrappies is open tomorrow morning otherwise I'm screwed till next week! lol

These things are sent to try us Alex. Hope you get back on track soon. I am sure someone more knowledgeable than me will come back to you loom relay box query.

I have a simple question about lightening flywheels. What are the benefits of getting it done?

Thanks

Dave

Dave Henry said:

These things are sent to try us Alex. Hope you get back on track soon. I am sure someone more knowledgeable than me will come back to you loom relay box query.

I have a simple question about lightening flywheels. What are the benefits of getting it done?

Thanks

Dave

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Haha luckily the inlet manifold nuts have re-appeared so maybe there is hope from beyond the grave for my exhaust manifold. Thanks for the inspriation though!

The benefits of lightening flywheels are faster pickup through gears, increased engine braking and generally a more free revving engine.

The Punto flywheel is a heavy little bugger. Obviously it was designed that way in order to carry inertia through gear changes and keep momentum, but in a Panda you can afford to lose some weight as the car is a lot lighter than a Punto.

I rekon you get it done. You'll notice the benefits straight away as your already driving a 1242 without a lightened flywheel.

If your stuck for a place to do it, I got mine done locally for £50+vat. Post it to my house and I'll take it round. Takes about 4 days or less.

Cheers,

Alex

Thanks Alex. Spot on.

If the clutch release bearing doesn't stop screaming I might need to change that soon. So if I have to split the gearbox and engine anyway I would be aswell to do the flywheel at the same time.

I am now realising that there are quite a few jobs that I would do differently if I was embarking on another conversion. Things are so much easier when the engine is sitting on a bench and not squashed into an engine bay.

Thanks

Dave

Dave Henry said:

Thanks Alex. Spot on.

If the clutch release bearing doesn't stop screaming I might need to change that soon. So if I have to split the gearbox and engine anyway I would be aswell to do the flywheel at the same time.

I am now realising that there are quite a few jobs that I would do differently if I was embarking on another conversion. Things are so much easier when the engine is sitting on a bench and not squashed into an engine bay.

Thanks

Dave

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haha I have a feeling I'll be in the exact same position in a few months.

Did you by any chance think whilst you were fitting the Punto engine 'I really should replace the release bearing......but it looks OK so what the hell!'

If I'd had a a ton more cash and a ton more time I would have liked to spend more time porting and polishing and getting the most out of the cylinder head. I think though that with a remap I should be happy with the performance.

I'm desperately searching for a Mk1 Punto 16v Stainless manifold but I doubt very much I'll find one.

How far did you get with your turbo plans?

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haha I have a feeling I'll be in the exact same position in a few months.

Did you by any chance think whilst you were fitting the Punto engine 'I really should replace the release bearing......but it looks OK so what the hell!'

If I'd had a a ton more cash and a ton more time I would have liked to spend more time porting and polishing and getting the most out of the cylinder head. I think though that with a remap I should be happy with the performance.

I'm desperately searching for a Mk1 Punto 16v Stainless manifold but I doubt very much I'll find one.

How far did you get with your turbo plans?

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The release bearing is the main one

Turbo plans for this engine won't happen. Turned my attention to T-Jet engines. Like being a bit different

Cheers

Dave