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Re: 100HP Turbo

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The original three gauges (Oil Pressure, Boost and Fuel Pressure) where in the top half of the radio aperture, with a rather naff single din radio beneath them.

I'd completely agree about phone holders, so that's why I replaced the gauges and the single din radio with a double din CarPlay Kenwood unit. That means that the phone can be thrown on the floor..

Using the CAD system I'd seen on Project Binky, I thought I could mount the gauges in a cluster in the gap between the existing instrument pod and the radio/ar con pod. (see photos below). But now I'd have four gauges (Oil Temp), so I need to re-design..

Just need to think about it for a bit. Do you really need a Fuel Pressure gauge?

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Can't beat the Binky CAD system - works every time. Make the Noise

Any pod between radio hump and instrument hump will need a very neat shape so it looks acceptable from the outside. Nobody wants a see gappy bodge from through the windscreen. What will parking attendants think.

Binky CAD should be ideal perhaps with a rubber filler flange to tidy the join line. But a pretty complex thing all the same and no doubt a few to be made before its done. And you still have to drill the dash to put the wires through.

Personally, I would have put the music in the glove box with a handy remote control for the driver to use. That leaves loads of spaces for driving stuff in the radio pod. BUT can the radio screen display what you need - with suitable interface. How about a new panel in the instrument pod? How about an LCD in the radio pod that displays all you could ever need?


http://www.stackltd.com/dash_displays.html
https://www.theonegauge.com/
https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/moto...plays-loggers/
https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Car-Instrum...3675/bn_875302
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Re: 100HP Turbo

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95 and 99 RON or even 87 all have the same energy content. BUT low grade petrol can more easily burn explosively so cannot be used by any reasonably efficient engine without retarding the ignition timing. The knock sensor picks up the noise of pre-ignition and the ECU retards the timing until it runs smoothly. With the spark delayed the peak pressure comes too late and heat is thrown away down the exhaust. Less power, higher consumption, etc.

Some engines are more aggressive on the timing back-off which I believe is why my bike ran so badly on 95RON but was happy on 97 or 99.

When unleaded first arrived it was available only as 95 RON. The lead containing 4 Star it replaced was 97 RON though you could also get 5 Star which was 100 RON. I had a Citroen BX 1.9 GT "retuned" (ignition timing retarded) to accept unleaded and it ran like a dog. There was no knock sensor and minimal electronics in the car so there was no other option. I put it back to standard and accepted it could not reasonably use unleaded without significant work on the engine.

I still think it's all up to the compressionrate. Maybe the 100HP would benefit, but certainly putting it in a 1.1 or 1.2 would be throwing away money.

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Have you thought about using gauges mounted in pods that fix to the windscreen pillar? Look on Amazon here:



Or how about a complete electronic cluster? Take a look at carbuildersolutions.com - they have a huge range of analogue and digital options and various mounting brackets that are used by the kit car fraternity and may give you some inspiration.
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Re: 100HP Turbo

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I still think it's all up to the compressionrate. Maybe the 100HP would benefit, but certainly putting it in a 1.1 or 1.2 would be throwing away money.

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I use it in the 1.2-60. It definitely gets better mpg and with an engine that's barely adequate anyway, every little really does help. I doubt it saves any money but the better drive is well worth the cost if there is any additional cost.


I avoid Shel Optimax because it really is just too costly. It can be 15p per litre more than Tesco's basic 95RON.
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@A3jeroen - ooh, very interesting. Thanks for the link. I'm guessing that the piggy back EUC's mapping is optimised for "super", and I do want to do some digging on that subject.
@grantleyrich - yes I have, I'm in two minds about them. I guess I could purchase and see what they looks like. Oh. That website has many, many nice things to purchase!
@DaveMcT - I was all set for that Stack LCD dash, until I saw the price - the whole car didn't cost that much!
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I don't think I can get four gauges stack up, as the top gauge will be in my sight line.


So I've pressed on with three gauge prototype. The front is cut from the top of a plastic Quality Street tub, and it's all covered in some cheap knock off alcantara I had to hand.

It's far from perfect, and I need a more accurate shape for the gap, and more of a wrap around top, but I think this could work..
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Re: 100HP Turbo

The pressure the turbo provides combined with the compressionrate makes high octane fuel nescessary in your case. Not the ECU setup.

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Re: 100HP Turbo

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The pressure the turbo provides combined with the compression rate makes high octane fuel nescessary in your case. Not the ECU setup.

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Most turbo engines run a lower compression ratio than naturally aspirated. That allows for more boost before the combustion pressure gets too high or pre-ignition sets in.

The knock sensor should protect the engine, but its achieved by throwing heat down the exhaust = more boost (potentially) and a power drop just when you'd like to have that power. Special pistons are the ideal solution but sometimes a thicker cylinder head gasket can be used.
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Re: 100HP Turbo

After a lot of struggles I got the Pollen filter cover off, and removed the filter. As you can see it's seen a bit of action, but it looks like it has been replaced since the car left the factory, as the person who did it, put it in the wrong way...
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Re: 100HP Turbo

So I haven't been entirely honest.. well, it's more a sin of omission...

I haven't been driving the Panda for the last few weeks, I haven't been able to, because I removed the turbo and sent it off to be checked over and overhauled.

The first place I sent it to wouldn't touch it, as it wasn't a standard fit turbo.. I know! So that wasted quite some time. The next place wasn't so picky, and it was back in my grubby little hands in 4 days.

attached is a "before" and two "after" photos.


Did the turbo need a refurb? Probably. There was a fair bit of "float", and it will have had a pretty tough life before me. At least I now have a bit of "piece of mind", and hopefully the turbo will last another 50k..
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Re: 100HP Turbo

Reinstalling the Turbo was quite easy, but there were a number of steps. When originally installing the turbo Shakey_hand_man cut way the plastic part of the slam panel so that the central part could be removed. This made access a very easy.

I used copper nuts and new studs to tie the exhaust to the turbo, and took the time to wrap the exhaust down pipe with new heat wrap.

I wanted to check that the oil feed was working, so I connected the top feed, but left off the return. Next I removed fuses that control the fuel pump, coil and injectors. This would allow me to crank the engine, gain some oil pressure without the danger of the engine actually starting when the turbo was 'dry'.

Just to be on the safe side I injected some oil manually using a plastic syringe, before securing the top oil feed.

Cranking the engine got me about 0.5bar oil pressure, and more importantly some oil coming out of the bottom of the turbo. Firstly it was gold, being the priming oil, but then turned darker as the older oil from the engine was pumped around. So then I re-connected the return pipe.

I took a brave pill, put the fuses back in, and turned the key...


.. it fired and ran - and I got about 5bar oil pressure. I idled the engine for a few minutes and then switched off. I looks like I got away with it!
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I put the number plate in the window, as I didn't really want to keep taking the front bumper on and off, and went out for a little spin. Totally paranoid, and spent the entire trip looking at the oil pressure gauge.

No abnormal bangs or whistles, and static oil pressure at about 5bar..


After a few miles allowing the oil to warm up I gave it a gentle boot. Woosh. I've be driving my "standard" 100hp recently, and the difference is bit like night and day. You can spin the wheels very easily on the turbo, but the level of acceleration just makes me laugh. Out loud. Lots.


The pollen filter has been fitted, Abarth badges removed, and blue Fiat ones fitted. Still unsure if I want to put the 100HP badge back on the boot. Sticking a 1.1L would be fun, but the wide tyres and blacked out windows kinda give it away.

A tiny little upgrade, adding some extra LED lights in to the boot, I had some LED waterproof strips left over from a previous project, so I stuck them at the top of the trim, and then connected them to the existing light (which I also put an LED in) - I can now see the contents of the boot..
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Re: 100HP Turbo

Just leave it with no spec badge at all.

The radiators and headlights and slam panel are what looks like a plastic "gate". Cutting out the middle wont affect safety, but it will cause vibration chatter to affect headlights and rads. It would be wise to restore the strength with bolted on metal (angle or whatever).
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Yup! Keep 'em guessing! If they can catch up, then they can ask!

Shakey_hand_man did a good job, there's a big metal bar that goes across the the top of the plastic 'gate' and he upgraded the brace between the metal impact bar at the front and the bit just below the bonnet release catch.

I've had a bit of 're-think' about the gauges, and I've been doing (a lot) of research on the ECU. It's a very power unit, and I could use it to read all the sensors that I could ever need. Then instead of a multitude of dials and gauges, I could have a single "gauge" that showed all the goodies.

However my ECU has never had a firmware upgrade in 10 years!

You can read my dealings with ViPEC (which have been nothing short of amazing) - here - http://forums.linkecu.com/topic/1073...from-a-newbie/

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Re: 100HP Turbo

Time to learn a new trade and learn how to program a flat screen to display the info you need.

Or put the radio in the glove box and fit a plate on the radio aperture to carry all the normal gauges.

For a really wild idea, use a micro PC running MES and display on your new flat screen. Have I done it? of course not but you could have a go and then buy the screen and micro PC if it looks do-able.
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