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EDIT: everyone in the uk should go out and purchase a tax exempt car to screw this government on the short term, hell and use their scrappage scheme too.

Clearly I'm annoyed that my 6 months tax has risen from 66 to 82.50
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to be fair that's still quite cheap for a ovlov? but it is a significant percentage increase. the tipo is 100ish for 6 months luckily my new car is tax exempt
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I wonder how long the current tax exempt cars will stay exempt though...

Because if everyone suddenly did swap their car for a tax exempt vehicle, thats millions of revenue the goverment suddenly dont get
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To be honest, its your choice to have a car, its a luxury for most, so I dont understand what you are moaning about, if it really bothered you, dont have a car, or get a car thats tax exempt as you said.
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Quote Originally Posted by fenton_jd View Post
EDIT: everyone in the uk should go out and purchase a tax exempt car to screw this government on the short term, hell and use their scrappage scheme too.

Clearly I'm annoyed that my 6 months tax has risen from 66 to 82.50
well given it bothers you then yes you should
cheaper tax than mine

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Taxed the 20v Marea last month, 12 months = 190. It's always cheaper to buy 12 months rather than 6. That's about what I pay for comp insurance every year.
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My Panda MJ costs 35 per year. It's so low because it's a low polluting car. However they stiff me on the cost of diesel, just in case it isn't.

I seem to remember that the 35 tax is because it emits a low level of hydrocarbons, however, because it might also put out carcinegous particulates, they charge me extra at the pumps.

Am I alone in seeing the irony here: Buy a car that emits a low level of hydrocarbons and we'll reward you with lower road tax. Buy a car that emits a low level of hydrocarbons and we'll punish you by raising the level of the fuel that you buy.

I'll say one thing for the current administration, they're actually cleverer than we give them credit for.

For example:

Everybody stop smoking.

Ah, but that will lead to a drop in revenue. What we'll do then is relax the licensing laws which will inevitably result in people drinking more.

Hang on chaps, won't that result in a reduction of smoking related illnesses, but at the cost of an increase in alcohol related diseases? Don't worry, we've thought of that one. Because we are a caring Government we'll issue a warning to drink responsibly, so if they develop liver of kidney disease it'll be their fault, not ours.

Brilliant, that's worthy of Machiavelli; talking of which, how is Lord Mandelson these days?

But what if people actually heed the warnings about booze and drink less, that way we'll lose the revenue from alcohol and fags.

We've got an ace up our sleeves. We're going to de-regulate gambling.

That way, under Smoke Free England legislation, the smokers will be outside the Bingo Hall having a fag, the non-smokers will be inside buying booze and they'll all be gambling. Not to mention the fact that with all the on-line gambling that will be going on, they can all sit at home and smoke, drink and gamble.

Brilliant!!! Now, how shall we spend the extra dosh; er I mean tax revenue on?

Well, I was thinking of an increase in MPs' salaries, say up to about 90,000 per year? Then we'll have to build an accomodation block for them all because they won't be able to make any money from flipping their second home allowances. Obviously the estimated cost for that will start at about 30 Million, but as with all public projects of that size will at least treble.

Good thinking, what about the rest?

Well we could perhaps encourage more 15 year old CHAVs to have kids; then again, asylum seekers from Azerbaijan and Uzbekhistan are definitely in the minority; no, wait, I've got it. A new parliament building for the Isle of Dogs.

Now, if only we can get rid of that miserable git Brown, we'll be OK for the next 10 years.
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35 for a year on my little kia picanto, but 180 on my chevrolet
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Re: road tax......

Scenario:

Two neighbours, BOTH have identical models of car (in this example, it's a honda accord).

Neighbour A:
2000 2.0 16v Honda Accord SE. 144bhp / 184nm / 204 g/km

Road Tax: 190.00

Neighbour B:
2001 2.0 16v Honda Accord SE. 144bhp / 184nm / 204 g/km

Road Tax: 215.00

I personally think this is unfair, as the two are the same ****ing car.
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Quote Originally Posted by fenton_jd View Post
Scenario:

Two neighbours, BOTH have identical models of car (in this example, it's a honda accord).

Neighbour A:
2000 2.0 16v Honda Accord SE. 144bhp / 184nm / 204 g/km

Road Tax: 190.00

Neighbour B:
2001 2.0 16v Honda Accord SE. 144bhp / 184nm / 204 g/km

Road Tax: 215.00

I personally think this is unfair, as the two are the same ****ing car.
Dear Mr. Fenton.

Thank you very much for bringing this anomaly to our attention. This is clearly a terrible injustice and we intend to remedy this forthwith. This is clearly unfair to owners of 2001 Honda Accords and with this in mind, we will be raising the cost of taxing a 2000 year Honda Accord to 230 per annum.

This will allow owners of 2000 year Honda Accords to catch up with their obligation to pay for an increase in MPs salaries. A sliding scale of Road Fund Licence payments will be drawn up which will, after a consultation period, mean that the rate of taxation paid by owners of 2000 will gradually be increased on a slightly lower percentage rate than owners of Honda Accords registered after the tax year commencing 5th April 2000.

After a Public Enquiry, rest assured we will be placing advertisements in the National and Local Press and on Television and Commercial Radio to ensure that not only are owners of all the affected vehicles informed of the taxation changes, but also that the wider public know how fair we are.

Unfortunately, as this entire process will probably cost somewhere in the region of 10,000,000, everybody's Vehicle Excise Duty will have to rise to cover the expenditure. However, in line with New Labour's policy of involving the general public in all aspects of Government (with the exception of MPs' expenses) your name, address and telephone number will be published in all the above mentioned arenas of the media so everybody affected can contact you direct in order to thank you personally.

Unfortunately, Mr. Darling is unable to write this letter personally as, being a committed Socialist doesn't have time to deal with the likes of oiks such as you. He is far too busy working out how to compensate for the devastating loss of income he has suffered as a result of no longer being able to claim for expenses on his 2nd home due to living in a Grace and Favour appartment.

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Re: road tax......

Quote Originally Posted by fenton_jd View Post
Scenario:

Two neighbours, BOTH have identical models of car (in this example, it's a honda accord).

Neighbour A:
2000 2.0 16v Honda Accord SE. 144bhp / 184nm / 204 g/km

Road Tax: 190.00

Neighbour B:
2001 2.0 16v Honda Accord SE. 144bhp / 184nm / 204 g/km

Road Tax: 215.00

I personally think this is unfair, as the two are the same ****ing car.
How about this then:

Neighbour C:
1979 3.0 V6 Ford Capri 'S' 160bhp / 190lb/ ft 500 g/km (a guess, but the old Essex V6 was a dirty old lump!)

Road Tax: 190.00



In fact, any car pre 2001 that was over 1549cc paid 190 per annum road tax (125 if you were below this threshold). So whether you had a humble little 1.6 litre Ford Escort or a 5.3 litre V12 Jaguar you paid the same rate. When they brought the two tier tax band in all those with 1550cc engines were miffed that they had to pay the higher rate. That was hardly fair, but then again go back even further and there was ONE tax band, whatever engine your car had.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524
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Quote Originally Posted by 1986Uno45S View Post
How about this then:

Neighbour C:
1979 3.0 V6 Ford Capri 'S' 160bhp / 190lb/ ft 500 g/km (a guess, but the old Essex V6 was a dirty old lump!)

Road Tax: 190.00



In fact, any car pre 2001 that was over 1549cc paid 190 per annum road tax (125 if you were below this threshold). So whether you had a humble little 1.6 litre Ford Escort or a 5.3 litre V12 Jaguar you paid the same rate. When they brought the two tier tax band in all those with 1550cc engines were miffed that they had to pay the higher rate. That was hardly fair, but then again go back even further and there was ONE tax band, whatever engine your car had.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524
It's a load of rubbish... (the whole pre 2001 thing)

Anyone who can run a 5.3 ltre V12 Jag or a 3.0 V6 rust bucket capri obviously has the money to do so. Whats the justification for that still having "cheap" tax compared to modern cars.
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125 for 12 months tax for my punto mk1 97 1242
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Anyone who can run a 5.3 ltre V12 Jag or a 3.0 V6 rust bucket capri obviously has the money to do so.
......that capri hasn't had rubber meet tarmac in gawd knows how many years!
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It's a load of rubbish... (the whole pre 2001 thing)
Well, "Road Tax" used to simply be a tax to use the roads. A car was deemed an, er, car, whatever the model, so what you were paying for was the right to use the road and for some of that money to go towards road maintenance. Then the whole emissions game came in and you were taxed on the amount of emissions your car put out. Small engines on the whole put out less than large engines hence the original two tiered system introduced in the 1990's. Then in 2001 taxation was based on the actual amount of emissions that your car put out irrespective of engine size.

To encourage people to buy new and fuel efficient cars these new tax classes only come into effect from the point they were introduced (2001) rather than backdated, which would be a bureaucratic nightmare anyway. Particularly as older cars were never designed to meet such stringent requirements. If you look at the MOT emission regulations you'll see that they changed considerably over the years and off the top of my head I know the following applies to UK road cars (note the years apply to the date the car was registered):

Pre 1975 - visible smoke test only, no emission test required

1975 to 1979 - First series of cars required to meet emission limits

1979 to 1983 - Emission limits become stricter

1983 to 1990's - Emission limits stricter still

1990's - Two tiered road tax brought in dependent on engine size

Late 1990's - Emission regulations become stricter still (again)

2001 - Multiple road tax bands brought in dependent on actual emission figures of vehicle.

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Anyone who can run a 5.3 ltre V12 Jag or a 3.0 V6 rust bucket capri obviously has the money to do so. Whats the justification for that still having "cheap" tax compared to modern cars.
As above, it's not about whether you can "afford" to run them it's about the emissions they put out in respects of the regulations in place at the time they were registered. When was the last time you saw a 5.3 litre XJ series Jag/ Daimler on the road? When was the the last time you saw a 3.0 V6 rust bucket Capri? Most that are left are now classic cars, are probably restored and probably only come out in the summer for shows and enjoyment. And I seriously doubt you'll see many "rust bucket" 3.0 litre Capris on the road now as they are worth quite a bit of money to collectors and most are restored. They are classic cars rather than every day drivers!

Just to make you even happier about car tax, vehicles registered before 1st January 1973 are tax exempt Why? Well, just about any vehicle still left pre - 1973 is part of our motoring heritage, is a definite classic car and is extremely unlikely to be in every day use. As they get such little use compared with a modern car why should they have to pay as much tax anyway?

Enjoy your motoring while you can, because the future isn't so bright and soon we'll probably all be driving around in electric car abortions restricted to 20mph
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