feel sorry for my mate, just got a 2002 NSR 125. nearly 40k on the clock. paid £500.

seemed decent enough, no MOT though.

since he's working all the time through garage hours i said id take it down for him, just back.

the fail sheet goes on too 2 pages, everything from tyres to loose fairings, split valves and brake leavers.

not only that but the bottom end has rattling like a bag of hammers, i feel guilty because he knows nothing about bikes and i was meant to go with him but my mam had me doing something else.

he got it off a mate though and has only paid £150 so far, what do you think i should tell him?

get money back?

an NSR?
buying from a mate?

oh dear :shakehead:


if he can get his money back he's lucky, if he sets fire to the NSR and forgets about the £150 then he's still done ok.

he got it off a mate? doesn't sound like much a mate to me.

was it sold on the premise that it'd pass an MOT?

Alex-R said:

feel sorry for my mate, just got a 2002 NSR 125. nearly 40k on the clock. paid £500.

seemed decent enough, no MOT though.

since he's working all the time through garage hours i said id take it down for him, just back.

the fail sheet goes on too 2 pages, everything from tyres to loose fairings, split valves and brake leavers.

not only that but the bottom end has rattling like a bag of hammers, i feel guilty because he knows nothing about bikes and i was meant to go with him but my mam had me doing something else.

he got it off a mate though and has only paid £150 so far, what do you think i should tell him?

get money back?

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gutted

money back or a place to learn?

by the way, hi alex :wave:

did you ever get your powervalve sorted?

Advise him not to pay anymore money. If they are friends I'm sure they could work something out. However if it was "Sold as Seen" your friend is not entitled to any money back and must pay the rest. If he refuses to pay then the original owner cannot force him to do so but can ask for the bike back.

As above: If it was sold to him on the grounds it would pass an MOT and was road legal, then he has every right to get his money back, and can take his "mate" to court in order to recover these costs.

Tom

jug said:

by the way, hi alex :wave:

did you ever get your powervalve sorted?

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hi Jug, ermm no but i'm working on it, apparantly i can buy one for £90 which is all i need, uncle said he can fit it.

theres a barrel on ebay but he wants £150 and it has no valves.

wasnt sold with any promise of passing the MOT so i reckon he'll have to pay the rest, although he was told the bottom had been fixed/replaced.

Keep the bike for £150, tell his mate to go **** himself and see how much to fix?

And if its going to cost alot to fix, just sell it on at low price naming the issues

Alex-R said:

wasnt sold with any promise of passing the MOT so i reckon he'll have to pay the rest, although he was told the bottom had been fixed/replaced.

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He wouldn't have to pay anyway, he'd have to be taken to the small claims court as it is a civil matter.

As he was told that the bike had something it did not (i.e. New bottom end) then this is a misreprentation of sale. The bike was not as described and therefore it is not what your friend bought.

He does not have to pay a penny more without a court ruling, and I strongly suggest he asks for his money back, both verbally and in writing.

I can go into more detail if you / he wants me to.

Tom

i'm a big believer in 'buyer beware', mates or not.

you cant buy a bike, agree a price, and then refuse to pay because you later realise you've bought a banger.

you must determine the condition before the sale or live with the consequences. if he couldnt wait until a competent person assisted him in determining the condition of the bike then he took a chance, and he should accept the consequences.

Cheers Tom, legally yeh thats right but as Jug says its sold as seen etc and it's his fault hes bought a rough 'un (words from the MOT tester lol)

i'm no pro but i'd have picked up on the bottom end because i noticed it first anyway and the nackered plastics, it still looks decent, ill put up some pics, i reckon with a bit of MOT it would go for around £800?

how much would it cost to fix if he/you do all the work? ssounds as if most of the problems are cheap to fix, apart from the bottom end.

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how much would it cost to fix if he/you do all the work? ssounds as if most of the problems are cheap to fix, apart from the bottom end.

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£100-£150 which doesnt include the front tyre but thats only an advisory

thats nothing to cry about. once its fixed and on the road it'll feel like money well spent, and it'll add more value than it has cost.

just realised - 40k

crazy, and worthless...?

venomco said:

As he was told that the bike had something it did not (i.e. New bottom end) then this is a misreprentation of sale. The bike was not as described and therefore it is not what your friend bought.

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Problem here is proving this in a court of law. Without a printed advert or a signed agreement describing the bike it will be a matter of his word against theirs. However, the reverse is also true in that the seller would have to prove that the buyer agreed to pay for the full price for the bike in the current condition. The seller could also argue that the engine was damaged after the buyer bought it.

I doubt if either would succeed in winning a case.

jug said:

i'm a big believer in 'buyer beware', mates or not.

you cant buy a bike, agree a price, and then refuse to pay because you later realise you've bought a banger.

you must determine the condition before the sale or live with the consequences. if he couldnt wait until a competent person assisted him in determining the condition of the bike then he took a chance, and he should accept the consequences.

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"Caveat Emptor" as the saying goes.

The buyer should've checked the bike over properly before agreeing to buy. I assume he was present at the time he bought the bike, therefore he should have examined it thoroughly or had someone else check it first.

If he was initially happy with buying the bike as it was then tough - "a fool and his money are easily parted". He is effectively breaking an agreement by not paying the full amount. However, if the bike was described as being fine and would go straight through an MOT then he has some recourse. He should offer to return the bike and and ask for his £150 back.

Either way, the buyer takes a lot of the blame for not taking more steps to ensure he didn't buy a howler in the first place.

here it is, as for 40k miles it's not that big an issue TBH it must have been rebuilt at least once in its life, as for the knocking, i adjusted the tickover as it was very low, put it to just over 2k and it sounds fine, might just have been the low revs..... lmao

lol can everyone see the audi in its final resting ground

cool its the best colour scheme nsr.

this is a site i used to use a long time ago when i was working on a mate's nsr. it may prove useful. http://www.nsr125.com/schem.htm

cheers Jug, i reckon he's going to get the work done for the MOT tommorow, then i'll take it down get it passed and just see how the engine goes.

i've said it could just lock up, not great if you're doing 80mph around a bend.