Register Login
Shop4Parts - UK's largest online superstore for FIAT and Alfa Romeo parts
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 25-06-2007   #16
Forum Moderator
 
T14086's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Preston
Posts: 29,985
Thanks: 1063
Trader Rating: 0
T14086 has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Grande Punto, Grande Flood. help!!!

If thats the attitude you have towards Fiat why did you buy one?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides


Last edited by T14086; 26-06-2007 at 00:10.
T14086 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-06-2007   #17
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 27
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Grande Punto, Grande Flood. help!!!

Quote Originally Posted by T14086 View Post
If thats the attitude you have towards Fiat why did you buy one?
Valid question... I bought 4, I guess I'm really stupid.

When they are working the cars are great for the money, OK the build quality tends to be average, the handling has never been a strong point but the engines are perky, equipment levels are good and they generally look good, in my experience they come with frustrating issues and the dealers aren't great. That's just my opinion though.

This time around I wanted something different, my other half wanted a Grande, she's driving it on a daily basis so she got the final say.

I called my dealer this morning, they have no prior knowledge of any issues with water getting into the cars but agreed to have a look at it next Monday, if I want a courtesy car (and I could do with one really) I'm looking at the 13th of July. I also discussed what I consider to be a low average MPG with them too and they thing a 1.4 8v Grande should average 32mpg on a long motorway run.

Out of interest I called another garage in the same group to see if they could fit us in any sooner, they couldn't but they did confirm that they had seen a Grande at the end of last year with the same flood in the footwell, he couldn't remember the cause but thought it was "a seam" at fault.

So on Monday it goes it for the leak looking at, the dodgy drivers side electric window, the bulb warning light that comes on at random despite all bulbs being fine and the generally poor performance / fuel economy that it has compared with others I've driven.

I'm not a Fiat hater, I'm just disappointed.... again.
__________________
Ex '94 EL 6 Speed, '96 GT, '00 ELX 1.2 16v and now a Grande Dynamic :thumbd:
megaboost is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-06-2007   #18
SNAP!
 
luvduvs's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 3,308
Thanks: 11
Blog Entries: 121
Trader Rating: 0
luvduvs has donated!
Australia 
Re: Grande Punto, Grande Flood. help!!!

Quote Originally Posted by megaboost View Post
I'm not a Fiat hater, I'm just disappointed.... again.
I could understand it if you're unhappy with the first, second or even third Fiat, but fourth is stretching it a bit..

Nonetheless I do hope you get the problems sorted
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

luvduvs is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-06-2007   #19
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Torquay
Posts: 238
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Help! My car is leaking!

Am at a loss to even think where so much water could be coming in with all the seals, guettering etc that there is around the doors!?

Surely you must be able to see where it is coming in when you are driving in rain if there is that much getting in.

Was able to pinpoint very quickly on one of my old cars where the water was coming in though one of the seals.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

AllSaintChris is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-06-2007   #20
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Whitby, North Yorkshire
Posts: 696
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Grande Punto, Grande Flood. help!!!

Quote Originally Posted by megaboost View Post
I also discussed what I consider to be a low average MPG with them too and they thing a 1.4 8v Grande should average 32mpg on a long motorway run.
i would think they'd assume you'd be travelling at legal speeds, and if so, i'd really be hoping for 45mpg, not 32.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

grandemike is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-06-2007   #21
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Torquay
Posts: 238
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Grande Punto, Grande Flood. help!!!

Quote Originally Posted by grandemike View Post
i would think they'd assume you'd be travelling at legal speeds, and if so, i'd really be hoping for 45mpg, not 32.
Agreed. Mine will happily do 45mpg(ish) at 70mph, though that does go down to under 30mpg if you are in a rush 'cos the girlfriend has told you she is waiting.........
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

AllSaintChris is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-06-2007   #22
Forum Moderator
 
T14086's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Preston
Posts: 29,985
Thanks: 1063
Trader Rating: 0
T14086 has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Grande Punto, Grande Flood. help!!!

Quote Originally Posted by megaboost View Post
When they are working the cars are great for the money, OK the build quality tends to be average, the handling has never been a strong point but the engines are perky, equipment levels are good and they generally look good, in my experience they come with frustrating issues and the dealers aren't great. That's just my opinion though.
All cars are capable of 'not working' however I agree with your comments except one about dealers....I'd rather you narrow it down to salesmen,parts dept,desk stafff or techs etc which is much fairer.

Quote Originally Posted by megaboost View Post
This time around I wanted something different, my other half wanted a Grande, she's driving it on a daily basis so she got the final say.
A woman of good taste then


Quote Originally Posted by megaboost View Post
I consider to be a low average MPG with them too and they thing a 1.4 8v Grande should average 32mpg on a long motorway run.
On motorway run you should be getting alot more than that.


Quote Originally Posted by megaboost View Post
Out of interest I called another garage in the same group to see if they could fit us in any sooner, they couldn't but they did confirm that they had seen a Grande at the end of last year with the same flood in the footwell, he couldn't remember the cause but thought it was "a seam" at fault.
Doubt it if its coming in at the front,correct me if i'm wrong but its very wet on drivers side only & around centre tunnel/pedal area?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

T14086 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-06-2007   #23
y is saving so difficult?
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: essex
Posts: 1,162
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
jamesgamby1989 has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Grande Punto, Grande Flood. help!!!

hope you get it soon and your patience with fiats pays off eventually!!!
__________________
1.2 gp, chemical grey, all windows tinted, alpine headunit, fusion woofers, vibe tweeters, interior neons, xenon bulbs, blue sidelights, rainbow indicators, momo handbrake, induction kit, debadged boot, sony xplod sub and amp,personalised number plate, momo gear knob, punto black side stripes first in world, black lexus lights
K+ N INDUCTION KIT FOR SALE
jamesgamby1989 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-06-2007   #24
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 27
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Help! My car is leaking!

Quote Originally Posted by AllSaintChris View Post
Surely you must be able to see where it is coming in when you are driving in rain if there is that much getting in.
You'd think so but I can't see anything obvious and don't really want to rip the interior apart until Fiat have had a look. There was a puddle behind the drivers seat but no sign of water above that, it doesn't seem to be a window or door seal but I really need to have a better look at it when I get a spare moment.

The water appeared after the car was parked up, apparently it was dry when my good lady went to work, by close of business the rear footwell was a puddle - it's as if it's getting in from above but I can't find any evidence to support this and don't want to get the pressure washer out and make it all wet again.

Quote Originally Posted by T14086
Doubt it if its coming in at the front,correct me if i'm wrong but its very wet on drivers side only & around centre tunnel/pedal area?
The main area of wetness was behind the drivers seat but I have a very steep driveway and the car was parked upwards, this made bailing out easier but may have caused any water in the main footwell to run backwards. Having said this that area didn't feel saturated like the back, it was "damp" but I put this down to the water soaking through from the back to the front. She didn't complain about her shoes getting ruined on the drive home either

I suppose the firewall would be the obvious place for water to be getting in like this if it's not a window or door deal hopefully I'll be able to have a better look at it tonight. The odd thing is that it's been out in bad rain plenty of times, washed with the high pressure hose and so on but all of sudden it's decided to start letting it in.

I'll keep you updated for future reference, thanks for your help and input so far
__________________
Ex '94 EL 6 Speed, '96 GT, '00 ELX 1.2 16v and now a Grande Dynamic :thumbd:
megaboost is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-06-2007   #25
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 27
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Help! My car is leaking!

Oh and thanks for the MPG confirmation, the 1.2 16v ELX averaged ~46mpg during the time we had it, the 1.4 8v giving 30>35 shocked me a little.
__________________
Ex '94 EL 6 Speed, '96 GT, '00 ELX 1.2 16v and now a Grande Dynamic :thumbd:
megaboost is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-06-2007   #26
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Torquay
Posts: 238
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Help! My car is leaking!

[QUOTE=megaboost;1155297]
The water appeared after the car was parked up, apparently it was dry when my good lady went to work, by close of business the rear footwell was a puddle - it's as if it's getting in from above but I can't find any evidence to support this and don't want to get the pressure washer out and make it all wet again.

QUOTE]

Thats what my other car did. The seal had gone (bit was actually missing!) at the bottom of the door where it meets the B pillar.

It could be the same with yours or maybe the door is not aligned quite right so there is a gap at the bottom of the door and that's why so much water is getting in.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

AllSaintChris is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-06-2007   #27
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 27
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Help! My car is leaking!

Cheers, I'll have a good look around there tonight, at the very least I'll be able to bodge a repair until it goes in to the garage
__________________
Ex '94 EL 6 Speed, '96 GT, '00 ELX 1.2 16v and now a Grande Dynamic :thumbd:
megaboost is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-06-2007   #28
Moderator
 
Andy Monty's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 13,913
Thanks: 1164
Trader Rating: 0
Andy Monty has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Help! My car is leaking!

If you have a friendly DJ ask to borrow their smoke machine my sisters KA was leaking in couldn't see an obvious water path so pumped the car full of smoke and found the water was getting in through the grommet into the engine compartment just above the fuse board..

just had to clean a bit of smoke fluid residue off the inside of the glass afterwards but i found and hopefully solved the problem
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Andy Monty is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-06-2007   #29
Forum Moderator
 
T14086's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Preston
Posts: 29,985
Thanks: 1063
Trader Rating: 0
T14086 has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Help! My car is leaking!

Quote Originally Posted by megaboost View Post
Cheers, I'll have a good look around there tonight, at the very least I'll be able to bodge a repair until it goes in to the garage
Working in the engine bay look for the large black rubber grommet on the bulkhead (its big...about a foot wide & 8 inches high) on the bottom of this grommet is a lip with (if you look very carefully) a small drain hole. This hole is not big enough during very wet conditions & it also tilts up thus catching water.Try cutting a inch off the lip so water can easily drain off but be careful not to damage the seal..get garage to do it if your unsure.Hopefully this will cure the leak.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

T14086 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 30-06-2007   #30
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Planet Zargon
Posts: 453
Thanks: 13
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
My Leaky Boot Video

Want to see what ive been told is a normal thing for the grande puntos to do?

Then feast your eyes my little beauties on this video of my beast in action.

It really is Wet 'N Wild!!



Direct link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0EP6ocC9Q

Dont know about you but that cant be good in the longterm surely??
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides


Last edited by captain chaos; 30-06-2007 at 16:44.
captain chaos is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Reply
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Security Tips for your Car and Install The Devil Security 24 13-01-2007 00:07
Die Hard!!! The Negotiator Leisure Lounge 27 24-04-2006 22:20
Cumbrian Car Show 2005 Helz Events 15 29-08-2005 17:59
(G) That didn't take long..................... spacecowboy Punto (Mk2/2b) 50 12-07-2004 16:41
(G) service centre sucks!!!!!! fulcrum Ulysse 14 12-05-2004 21:16