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Angry ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine

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I own a 2007 Grande punto 1.4 16v and during the winter i got the errors for ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine, i know their are other threads addressing this but none seem to have an answer. At first i was told it was a faulty battery, which i replaced and worked for about 3 weeks. Their is a squeek coming from the engine bay which i suspect is a slack fan belt, does anyone know how to tighten this? Any help atall on this would be greatly appreciated as im starting to get annoyed with it.
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The fan is electric so no fan belt, might be alternator belt
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Re: ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine

The ESP/ASR/Hill Holder warning could be to do with the rear wheel sensor that could be damaged or come loose.
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The fan is electric so no fan belt, might be alternator belt
Yeah but everyone still calls it a fan belt!

In my experience cars with aircon have a self tightening belt so no adjustment. You could try replacing the belt if it is squeaking.

It maybe that the alternator bearings are on the way out and putting excess drag on the belt causing it to slip.

Whilst the abs, esp and hill holder fault could be a wheel speed sensor, given that you have had battery issues I'd suspect it to be a charge issue. Its well known.

If it were me, I'd check the alternator is charging the battery (you can get kwik fit or halfords to do for you), and consider changing the belt.
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Re: ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine

Thanks guys thats given me some ideas. I forgot to mention a few things, the belt only started squeaking after i went through a big puddle of water. And the esp hill holder came on after the car had sat overnight in freezing temperatures. Thanks for all your help.
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Yeah but everyone still calls it a fan belt!
No they don't, only those who don't call it an auxiliary / alternator belt.
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Ok so after a year and almost 5 different garages i have almost got to the bottom of this. Turns out the engine management , esp and asr errors were due to a faulty alternator and tensioner. However, i still have an error coming up for the hill holder being unavailable. It always comes on at start up and cant get rid of it, initially the computer says asr disconnected then seconds later "asr connected". Anyone have any ideas what this may be? Thanks!
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Re: ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine

Hi,
looking back at your original post.. it seems your unstable voltage supply = battery / alternator has flagged up various errors,
in the same way as a low battery on start-up can ping the air-bag sensors,


MES should show the supply voltage at various sensors..



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Quote Originally Posted by varesecrazy View Post
Hi,
looking back at your original post.. it seems your unstable voltage supply = battery / alternator has flagged up various errors,
in the same way as a low battery on start-up can ping the air-bag sensors,


MES should show the supply voltage at various sensors..



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I might be being very stupid here but what does MES mean? :s
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I might be being very stupid here but what does MES mean? :s
Multi Ecu Scan (www.multiecuscan.net)
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Ahh brilliant, Thanks for that. Ill give it a go!
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Re: ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine

Just a little update, I've had the car ecu scanned and it came up with a code for the clutch switch so I replaced it and cleared the code, however within 10 miles the error has returned took it back to the garage and they are pretty much stumped. Any more advice? I'm wanting to sell this car in the next month or so and would like the code cleared if possible. Thanks.
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Re: ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine

1. I've just read the whole thread, I'm surprised nobody mentioned a possible problem with the alternator ( until the garage). If you heard squeaks then possible belt or/and tenssioner at fault.

2. Change the garage.
It doesn't take a genius to change a switch.
That clutch switch is self adjusting (has a lever that gets sorter), You could readjust it with a pair of pliers in under 1 minute !!
That does not mean you have solved the issue. you need to check with something like MES if the signal from the switch goes all the way to the ECU ( MES has a parameter that shows what the computer is seeing -i.e. if the clutch is pressed)
If the ECU does not see the switch being pressed, then it's possibly a wiring/connector issue (or adjustment).


If after readjusting the switch everything is ok, but after a while it goes out of adjustment; This only means that the switch is adjusting in between points;
you simply have to grind/fie off a small bit of the adjustment lever ( just about 1-2 mm), then pull out the lever to the maximum length, and then try again.
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Quote Originally Posted by varesecrazy View Post
Hi,
unstable voltage supply = battery / alternator has flagged up various errors,
in the same way as a low battery on start-up can ping the air-bag sensors,

MES should show the supply voltage at various sensors..

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The first part is correct, but i have to add a comment on the second part:
-MES will only show what is the voltage getting to the ECU; that does not mean that the correct voltage will be going to the sensors because there could still be bad sensor grounds, or bad connections, bad wiring, or even a bad ECU ( not able to drop down the 12v the ECU gets from the battery to a 5v needed by most sensors)
To see the voltage at the sensors, or sensor grounds you would still need a multimeter- a widely overlooked tool in today's hi-tech world of computer diagnostics.


p.s. Sorry for the double post!
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Re: ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine

I don't this is related to your problem, but you never know!

I had this issue a while back, 1.4 T-Jet, the ESP/ASR/Hill Holder/Check Engine warnings lit up after some gentle braking. In the end it turned out that the fault lied in the Brake Light Switch, it was faulty. Replacement part cost about a fiver and I got it fitted.

https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-pun...der-error.html

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