General Shuddering And Vibration at 80mph

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General Shuddering And Vibration at 80mph

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i have recently noticed that when i drive at 80mph (4000 revs), the car will judder/ vibrate slighty, but enough to be heard and felt. But this only happens at 80mph, once i hit 85mph it goes away.

i thought it may have been wheel bearings on front wheels, but fiat have said its just the road, but ive tried it on all road types and its still the same.

Just wondering if anyone on fiat forum has had same problem or something similar.

Advice welcome!

many thanks
 
i have recently noticed that when i drive at 80mph (4000 revs), the car will judder/ vibrate slighty, but enough to be heard and felt. But this only happens at 80mph, once i hit 85mph it goes away.

i thought it may have been wheel bearings on front wheels, but fiat have said its just the road, but ive tried it on all road types and its still the same.

Just wondering if anyone on fiat forum has had same problem or something similar.

Advice welcome!

many thanks




you shouldnt be driving at 80mph fastest in englands 70mph haha:rolleyes: any way it may be your traking or tires need pumping uup
 
well you got to have fun in these cars. With me being a young 18 year old, racing is what i do haha... but no was concerned about it and wondered if any of you's had a similar problem.

cheers to all of you
 
well you got to have fun in these cars. With me being a young 18 year old, racing is what i do haha... but no was concerned about it and wondered if any of you's had a similar problem.

cheers to all of you



oh no dont start a debate about speeding, young drivers, inexperience or we could be in for a long night.......... ;)


honestly get the wheel balencing checked first you got alloys or steel rims?

if you have clipped a curb you might have slightly distorted the rim and knocked it out of balance


it shouldn't be your tracking if your trackings out your car will generally pull to one side..



Wheel Balance: Out-of-balance tires will cause a car to vibrate at certain speeds, usually between 50 and 70 mph. A tire is out of balance when one section of the tire is heavier than the others. One ounce of imbalance on a front tire is enough to cause a noticeable vibration in the steering wheel at about 60 mph. To balance a wheel, the technician will mount it on a balancing machine which spins the wheel to locate the heavier part. He will then compensate for the heavy part by attaching a lead weight on the opposite side. Many people are pleasantly surprised at how smooth their car drives after balancing all four wheels.

Most high quality tires will hold their balance fairly well and go out of balance very gradually. If you notice a vibration that wasn't there the day before, it is possible that one of the lead balancing weights fell off. If you feel the vibration mostly in the steering wheel, the problem is most likely in a front wheel. If the vibration is mostly in the seat, the problem is probably in the rear.

For those of you who are very sensitive about vibrations and your shop can't seem to get that last bit of vibration out, check to see if you have locking wheel lugs. Some locking lugs are as much as 1.5 ounces heavier than the other lug nuts which translates to about 1/2 ounce at the wheel rim. Try putting a 1/2 ounce weight opposite the locking lug and see if it helps.
 
I had the exact same problem at the same speed (around Silverstone, obviously).

Turned out to be the REAR wheels were in serious need of a balance (perhaps the weights had fallen off, or just tyre wear had unbalanced them.

Anyway, local tyre place balanced them and it was perfect thereafter. One was out 5g the other was 40g wrong! Imbalance is cumulative so no wonder it could be felt.

You would feel FRONT imbalance through the steering wheel normally, not the car itself.
 
80mph on the clock on the 1.2 gp is no where near 80pmh though...when i went past one of them speedo signs doing just over 80 it told me i was doing 74mph.

And the GPS always tells me im doin around 72/73 not 80 on the old m'ways.

Could ague that with the Fiat tech, not that it will get you anywhere though.
 
fiat tech must obey road laws so if it happens at 80mph then he cant check it.

Couldn't YOU offer to drive him - then it's your risk not his.

Also totally agree with MarkSims that speedo is way out the faster you get. At 80 indicated I'm doing about 75, as shown by my TomTom (which I'm guessing must be very accurate to be able to work out where I am etc).

At lower speeds though, indicated 30 is about 29.5 so don't think you can get away with doing faster in a school zone!

Interestingly, a recent hire car was absolutely accurate at ALL speeds (i.e. it agreed all the time with my TomTom). Scary!
 
Tracking and wheel balance is the main cuplrit of this. I had the same problem on my punto had my tracking done and wheels balanced (due to getting new tyres anyway) and all is well :).

Also make sure ALL of your wheel nuts are nice and tight. All it takes is for one to be a little loose and at those speeds it will cause vibration.
 
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Also totally agree with MarkSims that speedo is way out the faster you get. At 80 indicated I'm doing about 75, as shown by my TomTom (which I'm guessing must be very accurate to be able to work out where I am etc).

At lower speeds though, indicated 30 is about 29.5 so don't think you can get away with doing faster in a school zone!

thats because its inaccurate by a percentage, so at 80 on speedo, 75 sat nav indicated = 6.25% inaccuracy, so 30mph should = approx 28.5mph on your sat nav.

thats if the sat nav figure is correct obviously
 
thats if the sat nav figure is correct obviously


and when you factor in the constantly changing Bias the american GPS system uses i don't trust it 100% my Garmin hand held GPS unit i use for walking and Mountain bike comes up with some real strange readings (even when standing still) and that can track 12 satellites and in clear skys still register's a 20 meter inaccuracy


this is done to prevent you using a satnav to pilot a plane into a building (only encrypted military units can decode it correctly)
 
and when you factor in the constantly changing Bias the american GPS system uses i don't trust it 100% my Garmin hand held GPS unit i use for walking and Mountain bike comes up with some real strange readings (even when standing still) and that can track 12 satellites and in clear skys still register's a 20 meter inaccuracy


this is done to prevent you using a satnav to pilot a plane into a building (only encrypted military units can decode it correctly)

Uh oh!!! You appear to be talking about Selective Availability. This contantly changing code was used during certain times to reduce the accuracy of civilian GPS systems, it could be limited down to something in the region of 100 metres but was typically around 10 metres of added inaccuracy. This was used to stop the enemies having accurate targeting systems based on it. SA was permanantly turned off in 2000 under an agreement with the Federal Aviation Administration to allow more accurate and reliable systems so planes can land automatically using GPS.

Military GPS is more accurate as it uses a completely separate encrypted signal on a different frequency that can be compared with the standard signal to reduce path errors and interference.

The civilian equavalents, satellite based Wide Area Augmentation Systems, available in the united states, europe and japan, allow accuracy of greater than 7.5 metres 95% of the time and less than 1 metre 50% of the time and is available for 99.999% of the year. However their geostationary orbits can make them difficult to pick up on the ground due to a low level on the horizon.

The system will use doppler shifts as well as location to produce a velocity, however, it must be remembered that this can only be considered accurate when travelling on a completely flat surface with not inclines or descents. The way it is measured is the same as the way radar guns work, and is extrememly accurate with the biggest failing being the quality of the hardware.

I have tested 3 cars with both a laptop connected GPS and a Sony Sat-Nav unit. And guess what!! They both gave different readings!! The failing is the quality of the chips in the sat nav units. They are mass produced and cheaply manufactured.

Both units despite differences between the two gave steady readings indicating that the speedos on all 3 cars overread by around 4-8%. This means that if your actual speed was 50 mph, the indicated speed would be 52 to 54 mph.

'Your Mileage May Vary' due to tyre sizes, pressures and other variables, however I think most manufactured tend to produce cars with speedos calibrated to around this area.

Wow, theres my essay for the night :)

No offence Andy or anyone else, im just rediculously bored and like to lecture. I think i should become a very boring and angry teacher :devil:

Wow, just realised how off topic I am, Sorry :eek:
 
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I took fiat tech on a road test to demonstrate the vibration and shuddering experienced around 70mph - 75mph. He agreed that the problem was at the rear of the vehicle ( no vibration through steering wheel ). After balancing the rears and also checking the shocks for leaks, problem solved - a smooth running Grande Punto!
 
i have recently noticed that when i drive at 80mph (4000 revs), the car will judder/ vibrate slighty, but enough to be heard and felt. But this only happens at 80mph, once i hit 85mph it goes away.

i thought it may have been wheel bearings on front wheels, but fiat have said its just the road, but ive tried it on all road types and its still the same.

Just wondering if anyone on fiat forum has had same problem or something similar.

Advice welcome!

many thanks

Sorry mate I don't know what you problem is but i can only assume it has something to do with Carl Rolf Dawson.(y)
 
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