Brad Gill said:

I wouldnt buy a induction kit. They give you less BHP than a standard Airbox and lowers MPG. Only benefit is your get the induction noise The only proven induction kit that has given BHP is GSR. which are very hard to come by now. Even so at over £150 it gains 3bhp. Not a noticeable gain need to be atleast 10bhp to notice any improvement.

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Think the MPG mainly suffers due to your right foot all of a sudden becoming a little heavier :laugh: According to the on-board and entirely accurate (I'm sure ) trip on mine, I was making over 46mpg on the way up from Paisley to Cupar while not taking it all that easy at some B-road points

Gains are minimal though as you say but many Fiats make higher figures on the rollers than what Fiat quoted in the mags. Saw a 1.4 16v Stilo on Youtube...meant to be 95bhp standard, made 107 and after the GSR was on there with the remap, it was nearly at 120. Most of the standard 16v induction kits I looked at before I made my own were utter rubbish - K&N, Powerflow, they all basically just stuck the cone in the end of the standard intake which then effectively sat on the exhaust manifold and that certainly as you say must have an effect on power in a negative way.

There was a cheapo kit I saw after I'd built mine, had a cotton twin cone... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/99-03-Fia...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d2d110194 ...like this one. Was still happy enough with what I'd done though and the metal filter I used never needs cleaned but this linked to one, you could change the cone easily enough if you wanted.

muppet42 said:

Think the MPG mainly suffers due to your right foot all of a sudden becoming a little heavier :laugh: According to the on-board and entirely accurate (I'm sure ) trip on mine, I was making over 46mpg on the way up from Paisley to Cupar while not taking it all that easy at some B-road points

Gains are minimal though as you say but many Fiats make higher figures on the rollers than what Fiat quoted in the mags. Saw a 1.4 16v Stilo on Youtube...meant to be 95bhp standard, made 107 and after the GSR was on there with the remap, it was nearly at 120. Most of the standard 16v induction kits I looked at before I made my own were utter rubbish - K&N, Powerflow, they all basically just stuck the cone in the end of the standard intake which then effectively sat on the exhaust manifold and that certainly as you say must have an effect on power in a negative way.

There was a cheapo kit I saw after I'd built mine, had a cotton twin cone... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/99-03-Fia...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d2d110194 ...like this one. Was still happy enough with what I'd done though and the metal filter I used never needs cleaned but this linked to one, you could change the cone easily enough if you wanted.

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I totally agree, It does give the 2nd and 3rd a better pull and its all about the cold air feed. I would be buying a BMC CDA induction kit if I bought another 1.4!!

Hmm.. I do think an induction kit on an 8v would be rather silly. I'm definitely at least getting a new air filter; as I adored my old piper cross one - but as my airbox was ruined I had to keep it on the car when I sold it.

What are your thoughts on companies? K&N / Pipercross etc? The car's got K&N vinyls on it atm, the previous owners musta liked em. I'm not a big fan of the circular sized airfilters they do due to it just sucking up hot air sitting at the top of the engine. I'll need a downpipe definitely.

I did notice a better pull in 2nd at least in the sporting. I might be able to pick up a decent piper cross off one of my mates for a reasonable price. My old one retailed at 90 and I got it for a tenner off a boy I knew breaking his car. Doubt I'll get as good a deal as that though!

N0KKA said:

Hmm.. I do think an induction kit on an 8v would be rather silly. I'm definitely at least getting a new air filter; as I adored my old piper cross one - but as my airbox was ruined I had to keep it on the car when I sold it.

What are your thoughts on companies? K&N / Pipercross etc? The car's got K&N vinyls on it atm, the previous owners musta liked em. I'm not a big fan of the circular sized airfilters they do due to it just sucking up hot air sitting at the top of the engine. I'll need a downpipe definitely.

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Actually thought your 2b was a 16v, I'll again blame my sleeping pattern for that one :laugh:

With brand names, you're paying the mark up for that name. My mate did have a K&N 57i plus a back box, Nissens Rad and a few other bits on his 1.1 8v 106 and he managed to gain a bit over 10hp so it is possible. Said 57i was just really the cone, an air feed and a few brackets, which I reckon would be the same for the 1.2 8v in yours. If I were doing it, I'd just build it myself though that can get a little more involved, you'll probably pay half what a K&N would be. Plus you could get a twin cone for a little extra noise

i tihnk there worth it even just for the noise LMFAO. gsr on the 1.2 8v show only slightly better results than the "focus induction kit" you can buy for them... so id just get one of them

BUT and this is the important bit... spray the sodding thing black. i hate the chrome pipe...



failing that measure the size of th einlett. get a 90 degree elbow of that size in silllllly cone and then just pipe it to wherever you want.




oh, and your alll right about the induction kit has little gain but i would say that future mods will respond better once you have first sorted easy air suction and easy gas exursion so induction and exhaust after that you will find things like cams ect pick up alot more than they would without the induction

Rob, I wouldn't suggest that induction kit you saw on fleebay, it's the same company I bought the induction for the Sei.
It didn't have the blue hose shown in the pic, so had to make do with small K&N Filters.
1 on the chrome pipe the other at the rocker breather.

Brad, for induction & exhaust nosie, you should've heard Steve's (clock34) 1st Sei, the legend that was NEO. :neo:
Had it in a MultiStory car park one night...... the nosie it gave out was ace, compared to my Sei & Ming's Red Cinq.
My Sei gave a low roar, as did Ming's Cinq, but NEO Barked...

Andi_F said:

Rob, I wouldn't suggest that induction kit you saw on fleebay, it's the same company I bought the induction for the Sei.
It didn't have the blue hose shown in the pic, so had to make do with small K&N Filters.
1 on the chrome pipe the other at the rocker breather.

Brad, for induction & exhaust nosie, you should've heard Steve's (clock34) 1st Sei, the legend that was NEO. :neo:
Had it in a MultiStory car park one night...... the nosie it gave out was ace, compared to my Sei & Ming's Red Cinq.
My Sei gave a low roar, as did Ming's Cinq, but NEO Barked...

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Do wonder about the cheapo kits in terms of how they're supplied, but that blue silicone hose would cost less than a fiver or given the false advertising, the supplying company should've supplied/refunded or similar? But yeah, remember the cone that was on your Sei when you got it - think it was as black as the colour of your panels :laugh:

they do sound nice.... and mainly the reason ive kept the gsr on the stilo. as tbh it needs some new brakets made.

Yeah the exhaust ive got is a right grunt, low roar. So with the induction kit or air filter on a pipe it would go well. Im just looking for something to replace the old airbox as its had better days tbh. Itching for my insurance to come in, ive not even been out in it yet since the test drive >_<

And btw clock you mentioned a twin cone? Whats that?

i dont believe i did...

but basicly its this..




it has a internal and external cone filter... as compare to a single cone.


which only has the outer.... on a 1.2 i dont suppose it will make a difference tbh. BUT all the gsr kits were fitted with twin cones, so id go for that as the price is the same...



ive also had a pipercross venom sealed induction filter before and that was by far the loudest but there expensive and i cant see it gaining any more than the gsr.. even gsr said themselfs the power they gain has little to nothing to do with the cone, they just use the £10 universal cotton twin cones from the web. its all to do with the pipe...

on spi 8v engines they have a reduction elbow in them, that sucks the air in at a larger diameter than the throttle then reduces it down, compressing more oxygen into the smaller place, alowing for a stronger burn and in turn more power....

where other companies go wrong is there selling just the cone, which will make a extremely limited improvement, when realy its this reduction in pipe that is what is needed....


even my GSR for my 1.8 stilo is considerably smaller at the throttle end than the filter.. it just doesnt make sense otherwise, sure it allows the air to flow more freely but the suction from a engine is huge, its going to make 1bhp difference at that just changing th efilter... but adding this extra air thats more densly compressed will give a stronger burn to the fuel giving more bhp... and tbh technically, although minute, increase in mpg as you wont be using the throttle as much to achieve the same results

and to prove my point a picture of the GSR 1.28v PUNTO induction kit in which you can clearly see the pipe getting thinner the further from the filter it goes...

(gsr i think have since refined there product, however its not as easy to see in pictures the reduction due to the fact it opens up again near the tb on their newer one, however still stays smaller than it was originaly)





as opposed to cheaper ebay ones that do not.

The only issue I ever had with GSR apart from the price and...erm...trying customer service experience was the fact that on the 16v, the cone sat so low in the engine bay. Not that a puddle incident's massively common but I'd heard of one or two having it happen to them. The 8v though as pictured doesn't have that issue though but not sure about the supply of them given last I'd heard, GSR had effectively fled the country :laugh: I have seen them come up second hand on rare occasions though...

Could well achieve the staggered sizing in pipework with a DIY kit but the issue of that is the airflow wouldn't be as smooth as with the fully moulded silicone pipework like that of the GSR. I used these guys by the way to get the pipework for mine... http://www.auto-performance.co.uk/ ...and the filter from here... http://www.regals-motorsport.co.uk/index.php ...though I think I overpaid for the latter somewhat compared to eBay ones

Twin cone thing I think was mentioned by myself as well. I heard at the time of making mine up the twin cone was slightly louder and as Clock says, the cones are pretty much the same price so I thought what the hell

yeh. mine sits "LOW" in the engine bay , it sits level with the very bottom of the engine. that said ive not had any trouble so far and i have been through a few floods...

mine needs work atm, like i said with mounts so i may have to make my own

Clock34 said:

yeh. mine sits "LOW" in the engine bay , it sits level with the very bottom of the engine. that said ive not had any trouble so far and i have been through a few floods...

mine needs work atm, like i said with mounts so i may have to make my own

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Yeah, noticed that at Cupar. Meant to be fine if you've got an undertray but they're not exactly common on Stilo's anymore

Had mine bracketed to the block...not the greatest idea as it sheers the bracket quickly due to the vibration even if rubber washers are used. Battery tray mount ftw

looking on that site, if you build your own (i think you should) use these instead of normal elbows REDUCERS but make sure you measure the reduction ect so it will still fit on throttle and induction will fit on end. that way you can still have a reduction

muppet42 said:

Do wonder about the cheapo kits in terms of how they're supplied, but that blue silicone hose would cost less than a fiver or given the false advertising, the supplying company should've supplied/refunded or similar? But yeah, remember the cone that was on your Sei when you got it - think it was as black as the colour of your panels :laugh:

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The thing was a pig to fit, didn't always sit flush with the Carb. And then Euan & I having to cut some of the chrome pipe with a £5 hacksaw from Homebase....
Think I've still got some pics of the induction kit somewhere....

And the Black filter was the one, that the BF of the previous owner had stuck ontop of the carb.

Sorry for cloggin up your thread here Ryan.
Rob rember this??




Btw Ryan that's NOT my hand in the last photo, that's Euan from work

Don't remember seeing that Andi, think I only ever saw the manky K&N when you had it. Weird design though having a crankcase filter mid-way but having the actual breather tube feed in near the TB - kind of makes that secondary filter redundant.

Thing is though, with these universal kits (even though some mention a specific model, they're often designed for many) some...adjustment...is usually a given. If it didn't fit flush with the TB, guessing the elbow was slightly too large a diameter - company could've sent out the wrong kit perhaps?

Aye I knew you'd seen the skanky K&N back in 2009, at the very rainy Glasgow meet.
You must've seen the induction kit, I had it on at St Andrews 2010.
But yeah the blue Breather hose never came in the kit, so Euan & I imprvovised.
The filter on the chrome bit, was to keep the vacuam pressure.